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Any town, county DPW office guys? #7054721
11/18/20 08:57 PM
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I am trying to figure out the costs associated with picking up stone, gravel, sand, cinders, etc. with "town" dump trucks. In other words, is there a formula that gets you to a price per mile to haul these types of materials?

Wages, benefits, insurance, truck, fuel, etc......all of these things to put a man behind the wheel and send him down the road?

Does it end of being a "cost per mile"? Like "it costs the county $76 dollars a mile to operate a dump truck"

Therefore, lets say the county is picking up gravel at one gravel bed, but then there's a gravel bed that's 15 miles ROUND trip less traveling.......so we'd say the town is spending 15 miles X $76/mile or $1140 per load more than they have to spend?

If not a county or town or even state job, anyone do this on a private enterprise standpoint with a fleet of trucks and drivers?

Thanks!

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Re: Any town, county DPW office guys? [Re: Zagman] #7054762
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Fleets around here will rent trucks out for about $70-90 an hour for a quad axle dump trucks. As far as I know most charge an hourly rate since mileage can varie so much depending on the nature of the job/ the wait times and load out times wether on demo jobbs or doing deliveries and pit runs and differences between highway and city driving. An hourly rate seems to better compensate for differences.

Re: Any town, county DPW office guys? [Re: Craig S.] #7055205
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that's helpful....thanks!

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Re: Any town, county DPW office guys? [Re: Zagman] #7055250
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I recently retired as the Town Supervisor. Each year we went out for bids for sand. We pick up or the owners of the pit delivered. Town cost of our drivers “all in”, Including hourly rate, Town share of medical insurance,retirement, W/C came to almost exactly $33/hr. Add in cost of trucks and we still hauled ourselves every year. My suspicion is that the pit makes money on the sand AND profit on trucking.
btw. More municipalities up here are sharing services to cut cost
Hope this helps.

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The only way that cost per mile could be sustained is if they are using OPM. Oh wait, it's the government so they are using other people's money.


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Re: Any town, county DPW office guys? [Re: 080808] #7055320
11/19/20 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by 080808
I recently retired as the Town Supervisor. My suspicion is that the pit makes money on the sand AND profit on trucking.
btw. More municipalities up here are sharing services to cut cost
Hope this helps.


Your suspicion ?? Do you think the Sand/gravel mine owner is in business not to make a profit ? I am a gravel mine owner, I sell abrasive road sand to 2 different townships. They constantly complain about the price per cubic yard. But, my mine is 5 miles from one town garage and 7 miles from the other. Both Highway Superintendents always state they can purchase the sand at another mine at a cheaper price per yard, trying to chisel me on the price.. I tell them then go buy it there.

But they don’t, because the other mine is farther away, and the increase in trucking costs makes the sand much more expensive.

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Re: Any town, county DPW office guys? [Re: Zagman] #7055337
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Squash. Of course they are in business to make money. I was stating that all in it’s always been less expensive for the Town to do the trucking.
Funny story. We advertise for written bids by cubic yard. One pit refuses to bid that way and always bids by weight. Good bye!

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Re: Any town, county DPW office guys? [Re: Squash] #7055390
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Originally Posted by Squash
Originally Posted by 080808
I recently retired as the Town Supervisor. My suspicion is that the pit makes money on the sand AND profit on trucking.
btw. More municipalities up here are sharing services to cut cost
Hope this helps.


Your suspicion ?? Do you think the Sand/gravel mine owner is in business not to make a profit ? I am a gravel mine owner, I sell abrasive road sand to 2 different townships. They constantly complain about the price per cubic yard. But, my mine is 5 miles from one town garage and 7 miles from the other. Both Highway Superintendents always state they can purchase the sand at another mine at a cheaper price per yard, trying to chisel me on the price.. I tell them then go buy it there.

But they don’t, because the other mine is farther away, and the increase in trucking costs makes the sand much more expensive.


Absolutely and your product isn't going to diminish by sitting there.

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FEMA schedule of equipment rates; https://www.fema.gov/assistance/public/schedule-equipment-rates enter dump truck in search


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Re: Any town, county DPW office guys? [Re: Zagman] #7055553
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Originally Posted by Zagman
I am trying to figure out the costs associated with picking up stone, gravel, sand, cinders, etc. with "town" dump trucks. In other words, is there a formula that gets you to a price per mile to haul these types of materials?

Wages, benefits, insurance, truck, fuel, etc......all of these things to put a man behind the wheel and send him down the road?

Does it end of being a "cost per mile"? Like "it costs the county $76 dollars a mile to operate a dump truck"

Therefore, lets say the county is picking up gravel at one gravel bed, but then there's a gravel bed that's 15 miles ROUND trip less traveling.......so we'd say the town is spending 15 miles X $76/mile or $1140 per load more than they have to spend?

If not a county or town or even state job, anyone do this on a private enterprise standpoint with a fleet of trucks and drivers?

Thanks!

MZ

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Re: Any town, county DPW office guys? [Re: Zagman] #7056030
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i bid a job that required 10,000 yards oversize rocks... was 50 mile haul... got a bid from large fleet that pulls double side dumps.... price was 10 cents per ton mile !! hope that helps this was 3 years ago and i didnt g
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Re: Any town, county DPW office guys? [Re: Zagman] #7056047
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most of the time hauling rock is a per ton rate. some jobs, especially construction jobs, that want a truck all day its an hourly rate. A minimum of 2.75 a ton for freight is pretty common. more for more miles. even if only hauling 10 miles it will take a half hour per round. sometimes more because of loading/unloading times.

depending on the truck is what hourly rates are. 115-120 is pretty common for any semi around here. a straight truck with multiple axles that can legally haul 18-20 tons will cost about a hundred.

at least here in N.E. KS. Those numbers dont include the price of what is being hauled.


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Re: Any town, county DPW office guys? [Re: Zagman] #7058550
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Thanks everyone for the replies.....very helpful!

Junebug.....I am sure you have forgotten how to skin these big easterns.......so I'd be worried! That said, I use a LOT of sawdust.....can you push a broom?? smile

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