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The plural of furbearers #7068044
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I'm working on a novel with an Alaskan guy who hunts, fishes, and traps. I wrote the following excerpt, then I got stuck trying to figure out whether to say "minks" or "mink," "foxes" or "fox" when there is more than one.

Here is what I wrote:

"By the end of November Kyle had caught sixteen martens—known as sable in the fur trade—seven lynxes, seven foxes, three minks, an otter, and two coyotes. No wolves or wolverines. He could have picked up a few beavers, but beaver trapping was too time-consuming for the limited daylight available. Maybe in February, when the light was coming back."

Am I correct?

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Re: The plural of furbearers [Re: James] #7068051
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I am pretty sure mink and fox are like deer and an S only goes on when possessive tense applies.
The fox’s tail had a white tip.
The deer’s antlers had dropped.
The mink’s family left many tracks.


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Re: The plural of furbearers [Re: James] #7068053
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What does your dictionary say?


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Re: The plural of furbearers [Re: James] #7068056
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No it's wrong and reads like falling down stairs


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Re: The plural of furbearers [Re: James] #7068059
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I think the dictionary allows either way. I'm looking for what sounds right for a trapper to say.

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Re: The plural of furbearers [Re: James] #7068065
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Depends on your character. Is the narrator an educated person or someone that took a job at 14? Its your story which one fits?


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Re: The plural of furbearers [Re: James] #7068066
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Originally Posted by James
I think the dictionary allows either way. I'm looking for what sounds right for a trapper to say. Jim


aren't you a trapper?

Re: The plural of furbearers [Re: James] #7068069
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remove the s on the end

Re: The plural of furbearers [Re: James] #7068072
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Originally Posted by James
I think the dictionary allows either way. I'm looking for what sounds right for a trapper to say.

Jim


"Oh, Yah...He gotz da tree mink dare" eek

Re: The plural of furbearers [Re: danny clifton] #7068077
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Depends on your character. Is the narrator an educated person or someone that took a job at 14? Its your story which one fits?


The protagonist and point-of-view character has a high school degree but probably a college-equivalent education because he reads a lot. Does it make a difference?

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Re: The plural of furbearers [Re: marathonman] #7068081
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Originally Posted by marathonman
remove the s on the end


Now that I keep looking at it, I think you're right. Except for coyotes, wolves, and wolverines.

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Re: The plural of furbearers [Re: James] #7068082
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Marten, lynx, fox, and mink sounds right to me used in conversation.

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Does having a numerical value describing a noun change the plural form of such word?

Re: The plural of furbearers [Re: James] #7068088
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I don't think so, J Staton.

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Re: The plural of furbearers [Re: ] #7068103
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Originally Posted by J Staton
Marten, lynx, fox, and mink sounds right to me used in conversation.


Agree

Re: The plural of furbearers [Re: James] #7068108
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Originally Posted by James
I'm working on a novel with an Alaskan guy who hunts, fishes, and traps. I wrote the following excerpt, then I got stuck trying to figure out whether to say "minks" or "mink," "foxes" or "fox" when there is more than one.

Here is what I wrote:

"By the end of November Kyle had caught sixteen marten—known as sable in the fur trade—seven lynx, seven fox, three mink, an otter, and two coyotes. No wolves or wolverines. He could have picked up a few beavers, but beaver trapping was too time-consuming for the limited daylight available. Maybe in February, when the light was coming back."

Am I correct?

Jim


Fixed.

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To me the only one that reads right in that is "coyotes". All the others I wouldn't use an "S" in speaking them. I actually had to read it twice to say them with the "s". I automatically removed them when reading. I had to consciously add the "S" when reading the second time through.


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Originally Posted by Mark June
Originally Posted by James
I'm working on a novel with an Alaskan guy who hunts, fishes, and traps. I wrote the following excerpt, then I got stuck trying to figure out whether to say "minks" or "mink," "foxes" or "fox" when there is more than one.

Here is what I wrote:

"By the end of November Kyle had caught sixteen marten—known as sable in the fur trade—seven lynx, seven fox, three mink, an otter, and two coyotes. No wolves or wolverines. He could have picked up a few beavers, but beaver trapping was too time-consuming for the limited daylight available. Maybe in February, when the light was coming back."

Am I correct?

Jim


Fixed.


If the goal was to actually sound like a trapper you could even drop the S on beaver, but it sounds fine either way compared to the others.

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Or what Mark did.... lol


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Originally Posted by elkaholic
Or what Mark did.... lol


Beaver as a noun can go either way. Beaver (plural) or beavers (plural). Most would use beaver.
Or what elkaholic did wink

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