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Smart coyotes or ignorant Mo.conservation Dept. #7079225
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Cable restraints are a joke I'm guessing about a 40 percent.loss on yotes to chew outs on CR its like buying crap.from China it might work what a joke. Can coyotes reason they sure aren't taught to chew threw cable some are better at it than others. I think a smart dog would chew through a rope to get loose as well. Any MO guys have any input I usually put a chunk of wood close bye to give them somthing to chew on but some of them know what needs to be done to get on there way.

Re: Smart coyotes or ignorant Mo.conservation Dept. [Re: nate] #7079234
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Can you all put inline swivels on your CRs?

Re: Smart coyotes or ignorant Mo.conservation Dept. [Re: nate] #7079236
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If your conservation dept is anything like ours, theres plenty of stupid to go around

Re: Smart coyotes or ignorant Mo.conservation Dept. [Re: gcs] #7079240
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Originally Posted by gcs
If your conservation dept is anything like ours, theres plenty of stupid to go around

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Re: Smart coyotes or ignorant Mo.conservation Dept. [Re: nate] #7079242
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Most likely a strong dog hunter lobby in MO lots of dogs running the woods and not hunting dogs either.


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Re: Smart coyotes or ignorant Mo.conservation Dept. [Re: nate] #7079246
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I've never had a chew out and I'm running 7 x 7 3/32, I have no experience with 1 x 19 3/32 and I'm not saying that's a contributing factor but I'm sure others will weigh-in with their experience.

Re: Smart coyotes or ignorant Mo.conservation Dept. [Re: nate] #7079283
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Why would this make MDC ignorant ?

Re: Smart coyotes or ignorant Mo.conservation Dept. [Re: nate] #7079287
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I've got online swivels and use 7x32 cable I try not to set many cause of the loss. I'm not catching dogs other wise they would show up.in my traps. I think some yotes are intelligent enough to know to chew out. Or have enough reasoning to chew out. I never said earlier but other than weekends I check well before light. So say I catch them by10 pm there on there way in 6 hrs.

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Re: Smart coyotes or ignorant Mo.conservation Dept. [Re: nate] #7079294
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7x7 is easier to chew than 1x19. What happens on a snare staked at ground level is that when the coyote pulls the cable tight and turns, it's right there at perfect biting height.

That's why keeping swivels as close to the coyote as you can is important.

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Re: Smart coyotes or ignorant Mo.conservation Dept. [Re: nate] #7079331
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Thanks guys that good info SniperB always thought about that but never thought about getting the swivel closer up. Great info.

Re: Smart coyotes or ignorant Mo.conservation Dept. [Re: nate] #7079334
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I know of a trapper in north MO that catches in the 100s for live market...many are snared...maybe most of em.


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Re: Smart coyotes or ignorant Mo.conservation Dept. [Re: nate] #7079357
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I've had 2 chew out here in PA. I don't think they have reasoning skills. The cable just ends up in there mouth and they chew on it because that is what is holding them there.

Re: Smart coyotes or ignorant Mo.conservation Dept. [Re: SNIPERBBB] #7079402
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Originally Posted by SNIPERB🦝
7x7 is easier to chew than 1x19. What happens on a snare staked at ground level is that when the coyote pulls the cable tight and turns, it's right there at perfect biting height.

That's why keeping swivels as close to the coyote as you can is important.


Tie high to help keep the cable out of their mouths. Females chew more than males. Sniper do you have a picture?


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Re: Smart coyotes or ignorant Mo.conservation Dept. [Re: drasselt] #7079409
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Originally Posted by drasselt
Originally Posted by SNIPERB🦝
7x7 is easier to chew than 1x19. What happens on a snare staked at ground level is that when the coyote pulls the cable tight and turns, it's right there at perfect biting height.

That's why keeping swivels as close to the coyote as you can is important.


Tie high to help keep the cable out of their mouths. Females chew more than males. Sniper do you have a picture?

Problem with tying high is it's not legal Ilun places with CR laws.

Picture of what?

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Re: Smart coyotes or ignorant Mo.conservation Dept. [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7079441
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
I know of a trapper in north MO that catches in the 100s for live market...many are snared...maybe most of em.


I believe all of them he sells on the live market are in CR’s. I think he skins everything he catches in foot holds.

Re: Smart coyotes or ignorant Mo.conservation Dept. [Re: nate] #7079498
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I did some snare design work a few years ago that unintentionally resulted in a CR. It uses separate loop and holding cables with swivel pulled up against animal neck where it is unlikely to foul. The holding cable can be as large and chew resistant as desired and still have smaller (if desired) loop cable. I have refined it to the point that it is as quick and easy to set as a regular CR or snare.

The design has a problem in that about 3ft (pi x loop diameter minus amount tightened around animal neck) of loop cable trails from the swivel on a captured animal. That trailing cable could interfere with swivel operation - my field testing after design revision did not get that far. Solution to that problem is to make a weak breakaway splice or point in loop cable to eliminate most trailing bare end. Working by hand I could not make a breakaway that would slide smoothly through the snare lock. I suspect it could be made in a cable making machine. If so it should become a profitable after market item. The design does requires a high quality lock. When I started the projects such locks were not commercially available. They are now. One example is MTP Bridger Surehold locks.

Initial cost of such CR would be high but in most instances only the bare loop cable (with splice) should need replacement after a catch. Like any CR this design would require approval before use in a CR state.

I no longer trap and I have abandoned the project. Even so I still think it could benefit CR users. I have six free samples available by PM on a first come basis. Because I only have a few samples and because of shipping costs I would ask for requests only from serious tinkerers who want to try further development work.

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Re: Smart coyotes or ignorant Mo.conservation Dept. [Re: nate] #7079512
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Did you post this here before?I seem to recall a project similar to this?

Re: Smart coyotes or ignorant Mo.conservation Dept. [Re: nate] #7079578
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Still doesn't account for the chew outs. I feel like the one's caught in foot traps have less trauma than CR's just my own observation during skinning.

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