Re: Salt drying pelts vs. air drying pelts ?
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Moyoels won't except salted hides. Once you salt the hide you have started the tanning process. That is incorrect. Moyles accepts pelts that salted and then dried. They d not accept hides that are still wet/damp from salting. I know a company that has sent hundreds of dry salted pelts to Moyles without any complaints from them. I also question your second statement. I’m quite sure there isn’t any salting in the tanning process used at Moyles. In my 25 plus years of having pelts tanned, there is NO difference in outcome between air dried and salt dried. End of story.
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Re: Salt drying pelts vs. air drying pelts ?
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Moyoels won't except salted hides. Once you salt the hide you have started the tanning process. Not quite correct. https://moyle.net/resources#skin-prepThey won’t accept “damp salted hides”. Salting is the way I learned to prepare taxi specimens. It is beneficial to the drying in turned out areas of the pelt, eyes, ears, nose, lips, and feet. Now mind you I have extremely high humidity and moderate temperatures that do not encourage drying of heavier leathered animals, bears especially. With salt they are potato chip dry in a few days and have had excellent results from Moyles and New Method.
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Re: Salt drying pelts vs. air drying pelts ?
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Moyoels won't except salted hides. Once you salt the hide you have started the tanning process. I have sent salted beaver and Otter skins to Miles and had great results, and no complaints. The Skins were dried to the point that you could still fold them up, but not nearly flint dry. If you are going to home tan your skins it's much easier to wet them back in the pickling solution if they are salted than if they are air-dried. The salt helps suck up the water easier.
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Re: Salt drying pelts vs. air drying pelts ?
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I have tanned a lot of furs using Rittel's products. Their instructions include a different procedure for salt-dried skins. It's something about rehydrating, an extra step not needed with air-dried skins. I don't remember the specifics because I don't salt any skins, air-dry only.
Salting is an unnecessary step.
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Re: Salt drying pelts vs. air drying pelts ?
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So, don't mean to be a dummy here but.... so you flesh like normal, then instead of boarding, you salt the hide? Correct. In addition you would turn the lips, eyes, nose, ears, and feet prior to salting.
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Re: Salt drying pelts vs. air drying pelts ?
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Really don't need to turn anything unless you're doing some form of a mount. Many animals, bear, wolves, wolverine, have simply too much meat in between their lips, nose, eyes, feet, and ears to properly dry for taxidermy quality mounts without bacteria getting a foothold and causing slip. Drying with salt after turning these parts is pretty cheap insurance that the specimen will be of the quality a taxidermist seeks, especially considering most are bought online without the luxury of inspection prior to purchase. Even the old NAFA and current FHA fur prep manuals specify that hides be prepped in this manner, minus the salt.
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Re: Salt drying pelts vs. air drying pelts ?
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Really don't need to turn anything unless you're doing some form of a mount. Many animals, bear, wolves, wolverine, have simply too much meat in between their lips, nose, eyes, feet, and ears to properly dry for taxidermy quality mounts without bacteria getting a foothold and causing slip. Drying with salt after turning these parts is pretty cheap insurance that the specimen will be of the quality a taxidermist seeks, especially considering most are bought online without the luxury of inspection prior to purchase. Even the old NAFA and current FHA fur prep manuals specify that hides be prepped in this manner, minus the salt. Those animals are the exception to the rule and almost always sold as complete animals so they need to me prepared as if for the taxidermy market.
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Re: Salt drying pelts vs. air drying pelts ?
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To me, salting is kinda a safety thing on iffy hides... If a fox's head is bloody for example, I'm gonna pack salt in the ears to ensure they dry well. I don't salt most of the furs I tan, but I will if there's any question of possible bacteria growth.
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Re: Salt drying pelts vs. air drying pelts ?
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To me, salting is kinda a safety thing on iffy hides... If a fox's head is bloody for example, I'm gonna pack salt in the ears to ensure they dry well. I don't salt most of the furs I tan, but I will if there's any question of possible bacteria growth. That's the other thing.... taxidermists generally can't trust the hides they get in because they don't know how long it garvrhing that resembles an animal has been in the back of the truck.
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Re: Salt drying pelts vs. air drying pelts ?
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To me, salting is kinda a safety thing on iffy hides... If a fox's head is bloody for example, I'm gonna pack salt in the ears to ensure they dry well. I don't salt most of the furs I tan, but I will if there's any question of possible bacteria growth. Would borax accomplish the same goal and would i have any effect on tanning? I sometimes use borax under the arms and in the ears of red fox not drying quickly enough for my liking. They are for selling to the fur market, not for tanning.
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Re: Salt drying pelts vs. air drying pelts ?
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I am a tanner(not a commercial tanner). Salt skins will tan just the same as air dried.Salted skins rehydrate quicker than air dried. Salted skins need to be fleshed and fat removed same as air drying,if not they have a shorter shelf life than air dried(grease burn and the resulting degradation of the skin fibres happens much quicker in salted skins than air dried skins), Salted skins are prone to attack from the halophilic bacteria in storage.This is due to salt dried skins picking up moisture from humidity in the air. You will see it as a pink or red colour on the hide. Salted skins that dry hard will be damaged if folded-the skin will crack-a properly air dried skin can be folded without damage.Grease burnt or skins dried with heat will also crack when folded. A bulk of salted semi dry skins are much heavier than air dried-(a consideration for shipping). Salting is an added expense,normally used as a shortcut to avoid a little extra work.
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Re: Salt drying pelts vs. air drying pelts ?
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To me, salting is kinda a safety thing on iffy hides... If a fox's head is bloody for example, I'm gonna pack salt in the ears to ensure they dry well. I don't salt most of the furs I tan, but I will if there's any question of possible bacteria growth. Would borax accomplish the same goal and would i have any effect on tanning? I sometimes use borax under the arms and in the ears of red fox not drying quickly enough for my liking. They are for selling to the fur market, not for tanning. IDK. Borax has a high ph...Somebody gave me a heavily boraxed Beaver hide to tan for a wall hanging. I pickled it but it was really weird. No stretch at all
Right now I’m having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before.
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