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Re: Coyote harvest and price [Re: Mitch20] #7168693
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I’ve heard fur is flying off the shelves in China.

Demand seems to still be there. Supply and processing chains are what’s all gummed up. Than factor in the supply surplus at present. And I don’t doubt for one second some of these buyers aren’t trying to average out some of last years mistakes.

If Beijing Biden keeps up and devalues the dollar further, demand stays there, and we get what’s out there used up we could see things turn around again.

Of course with the dollar devalued 20-30% we need to see at least that amount of increase in fur prices to maintain the buying power of that value.


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Re: Coyote harvest and price [Re: Mitch20] #7168713
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$38-$40 average is'nt bad for KS coyotes out of 50 i'm guessing you might have 2 to 3 that would go heavy,so your $38 avg was'nt bad for semi's.

Re: Coyote harvest and price [Re: Mitch20] #7168798
02/04/21 10:41 AM
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Canada Goose stock is up over 20% this morning. That's enormous. Coyotes undervalued?


"Nothing I like to do pays well." True Grit

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Re: Coyote harvest and price [Re: Mitch20] #7168805
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I sold last week, 53 for sick-lame and lazy. Short catch ,was told fur has to be dressed before it will be imported to china.

Re: Coyote harvest and price [Re: Poorcoon] #7168837
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Originally Posted by Poorcoon
Canada Goose stock is up over 20% this morning. That's enormous. Coyotes undervalued?


Canada goose for the most part is out of the coyotes game. Their stock price no longer effects the coyote market.






Re: Coyote harvest and price [Re: Monster Toms] #7168915
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Yeah I'm sure, but does offer a little bit of a window into similar type companies producing similar type products. And the success they are having in places like China

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Re: Coyote harvest and price [Re: Mitch20] #7168923
02/04/21 12:26 PM
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It's been a Heavy market and will be a heavy market
Even in Montana this year a heavy was not as common as has been.
Quality was off and color,,, making it tough year on us all.
And I believe prices reflected this in most area's jmo


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Re: Coyote harvest and price [Re: Boone Liane] #7169136
02/04/21 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Boone Liane
It’s a heavy market, period.

Section II and III HEAVY coyotes are consistently bringing more than pristine, select and I semis, and about par with top end semi plus/weak heavies.

And last year the "heavy" grade was considerably easier, this year a third of last years heavies go into the semi pile, and this year there is such a thing as a flat coyote.

Re: Coyote harvest and price [Re: red mt] #7169670
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Is the variance in coyotes, from the same exact area, due to quality of the pelt or the grading, assuming they were taken same time of year etc?

Re: Coyote harvest and price [Re: Mitch20] #7169720
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Originally Posted by Mitch20
Is the variance in coyotes, from the same exact area, due to quality of the pelt or the grading, assuming they were taken same time of year etc?




Yes



Climbing happy markets the grade gets loose.

Constricting, tense markets the grade tightens up.





Nutrition, movement, weather, habitat abrasiveness, and social pecking order are all variables that can affect pelt quality to start with, and pelt degradation as the season progresses.


Every region is different, and just about every season is different.

Re: Coyote harvest and price [Re: Mitch20] #7169952
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Coyote also seem to grade differently depending if you are buying or selling them.

Re: Coyote harvest and price [Re: Mitch20] #7170058
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Looking at some of the really nice coyotes you fellas have is kinda depressing for me. The wire haired critters here in Pa don’t even look to be the same animal you guys catch in the Dakotas.

Re: Coyote harvest and price [Re: Marty B] #7170147
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Thank you, Marty but I still don't understand. It seems to me that nutrition and movement{not sure what this even means} should be reasonably consistent-within a population in a defined area from year to year. Habitat abrasiveness can vary. Shouldn't there be the same numbers at each level of pecking order year to year. Pelt degradation while it might occur at different times and degrees, it will always occur. None of these seem to explain why the same geographical area, would produce significantly different coyotes from one year to the next ie. heavy to semi-heavy. Good market or bad influences the grade but has no effect on the actual hides produced.

Re: Coyote harvest and price [Re: Mitch20] #7170234
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Originally Posted by Mitch20
Thank you, Marty but I still don't understand. It seems to me that nutrition and movement{not sure what this even means} should be reasonably consistent-within a population in a defined area from year to year. Habitat abrasiveness can vary. Shouldn't there be the same numbers at each level of pecking order year to year. Pelt degradation while it might occur at different times and degrees, it will always occur. None of these seem to explain why the same geographical area, would produce significantly different coyotes from one year to the next ie. heavy to semi-heavy. Good market or bad influences the grade but has no effect on the actual hides produced.



Nutrition can vary GREATLY year to year, heck, month to month.

For example, last year we had a mouse and vole crop that was off the charts. Coyotes didn’t have to go 1/4 mile to get a full belly. The ground was alive.

This year, no voles or mice. They’re gone. They gotta work a lot harder to get a full belly, if they’re even getting a full belly regularly.

I don’t think anyone is referring to quality changes as semi to heavy. Although that does happen to some extent it’s not as dramatic. You’re not likely to see an area go from a heavy coyote to a semi heavy one year to the next. You may see an area go from 25% semis to 50% semis, especially in a region that falls on a line between those two types of coyotes anyway.

What you will see are big changes in color and texture. Damage. This year, color quality was way off in a huge geographical region across the dakotas and Montana. Dry fall and winter, no snow, lack of small rodents (nutrition) all probably played a roll.

Re: Coyote harvest and price [Re: Mitch20] #7170308
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sold 124 today at $40 average. Averaged almost $62 last year

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Re: Coyote harvest and price [Re: Mitch20] #7170351
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Originally Posted by Mitch20
Thank you, Marty but I still don't understand. It seems to me that nutrition and movement{not sure what this even means} should be reasonably consistent-within a population in a defined area from year to year. Habitat abrasiveness can vary. Shouldn't there be the same numbers at each level of pecking order year to year. Pelt degradation while it might occur at different times and degrees, it will always occur. None of these seem to explain why the same geographical area, would produce significantly different coyotes from one year to the next ie. heavy to semi-heavy. Good market or bad influences the grade but has no effect on the actual hides produced.





They're all intertwined variables in constant Flux.




Movement - the more an animal has to move around to make a living, the more wear, and tear he/she puts on their pelt.



Dominant animals take over the best habitat, with best groceries, they don't have to move as much.


Weather creates food, or not, creates movement, or not.






But, you gotta have the food.




example:

One little town I used to buy fur in was for years, what I considered a "very poor section", third slice goods at best.

Then about 2011, or so the rains came. Ended the drought. The very next fall I couldn't believe my eyes how good the fur was. With the increased nutrition created by the rain, the fur was able to express its genetic potential. It was unreal how much better the fur was. (Color, and Clarity, was probably 3 sections better, and heft pushed from the commercial into the lower semis).







Every region is different, and you learn the rhythms of your own country.

Re: Coyote harvest and price [Re: WackMaster] #7170479
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Originally Posted by WackMaster
sold 124 today at $40 average. Averaged almost $62 last year

Only 26% off not horrible


What I am tring figure when I heard 20 to 30 % off last year prices what was the bases they were using in the first place lol


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Re: Coyote harvest and price [Re: Mitch20] #7170504
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Might be a bad year to sell, sure glad I do it for the $$$$


Let me sugar coat this
Re: Coyote harvest and price [Re: Mitch20] #7170604
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$40 is $22 less than $62, that 35% off last years average.

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