Re: Marten die offs
[Re: waggler]
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02/04/21 01:41 PM
02/04/21 01:41 PM
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^^^^ I'm just trying to figure out why all else being the same (for the most part) marten seem to prefer damp areas vs. dry sites. More fungus?? I don't think it is a matter of marten preferring damp areas. I believe what we see is a consequence if wet areas freezing. Water is forced to the margins of swampy areas and is forcing voles out of their holes. The marten know this happens and consequently, they are just there taking advantage of the voles being forced to move. Just like bears with salmon at certain locations
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Re: Marten die offs
[Re: rick olson]
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02/04/21 02:04 PM
02/04/21 02:04 PM
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^^^^^^ I realize that many marten trappers are probably not able to see this phenomenon. The easiest place to observe it is in Washington State where climatic and moisture/temperature variations are dramatically pronounced within both a change of elevation and longitude (west to east). These changes are observed within just a few hundred feet of elevation or a couple miles east to west. This precipitation map illustrates it pretty well. Areas with purple or dark blue will generally have marten providing the habitat is there. That means; not in a clear cut, above timber line, etc. It is so dramatic. For example, I can drive up a logging road on the west side of the Cascade mountains that starts out at an elevation of 1000 feet, I can then show you within a hundred feet of so of elevation change where you will start finding marten. I tried to explain this to a USFS biologist I was hire to "train" back in the late 80's. He was very skeptical of my explanation of where we would find marten. He humbly changed his tune after the snow fell and we started logging "snow track intercepts" (STI's), and noting the habitat at the STI's. In the Cascades, marten will typically show up at 3000 feet of elevation. South facing slopes maybe not until 4000 feet or so, north facing slopes somewhat lower than 3000 feet. Dark Blue 80-100 inches of precipitation annually Puple 100+ inches annually
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Re: Marten die offs
[Re: waggler]
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02/04/21 02:19 PM
02/04/21 02:19 PM
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^^^^ I'm just trying to figure out why all else being the same (for the most part) marten seem to prefer damp areas vs. dry sites. More fungus??
More moisture= more fungus = more food for the red back voles or your equal out there. Ever notice that their scat is black vs microtus which eat greens as well and have green scat.
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Re: Marten die offs
[Re: rick olson]
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02/04/21 03:38 PM
02/04/21 03:38 PM
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Around here you will find them from green to purple As you move north you have other factors at play, but I think it stills has to do with moisture; it doesn't really matter how much of it comes out of the sky in a year, it's how much is in the soil. Permafrost, shorter dry seasons, temperature and other things factor into soil moisture. There are areas of Alaska where if with the same precipitation (arid regions) you were only 30 degree north latitude you would find yourself in a literal desert. That being said, It wouldn't surprise me a bit if the purple areas on your map may coincide with the highest marten densities in the State. In a purple area I had seven marten sets widely spread out along five miles of river bottom a week or so ago. Caught 15 marten in two checks over a total of four nights. Still lots of marten around, cannibalized marten, bait eaten from traps containing marten, fresh tracks, etc.. 6 juvenile males 5 adult males 3 juvenile females 1 adult female
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Re: Marten die offs
[Re: yukon254]
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02/07/21 09:09 AM
02/07/21 09:09 AM
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I would be interested to hear others thoughts on lemmings ( bog) as a food source. Some of the highest densities of marten tracks Ive ever seen were in an area with an unbelievable population of lemmings. I have never trapped that area, but have hunted it extensively. Late in the fall when the snow comes the marten sign is incredible.
Dirt, I have questioned the home range theory too. [/quote]
In northern Manitoba where the two species of lemmings occur on the sub-artic / taiga interphase area the trappers have good populations of marten. Gilliam area 56.3N -94.6E and east towards Ontario boarder. When some snap trapping for small mammals was done for a Hydro study they were hearing the traps go off behind them on the trails. They had to go back and string tie the snap/ wooden rat traps down because the marten were taking them away in front of the researchers. In the end they quit because of the number they were catching. Those populations went on for several years in that area if I remember correctly. 70% of those marten are 3xl from those trappers when they can get out on their lines.
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Re: Marten die offs
[Re: rick olson]
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02/08/21 06:42 PM
02/08/21 06:42 PM
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What caused that,T4E,Never seen that before on a mink or marten. I think they would freeze to death here this time of year with that amount of fur loss.
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Re: Marten die offs
[Re: rick olson]
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02/14/21 04:40 PM
02/14/21 04:40 PM
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So the neighbor gave me this book the other day. " The Patterson's Den" It is an autobiography by a guy who moved out here in 1941. Trapped with his dad on about a fourth of my line. According to him it appears there were no marten down on river. They had to trap up at 1000 ft to find marten. There were 4 other trappers working the low country around him and he inherited his line. Maybe they were poor managers?
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