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Re: Wisconsin Wolves [Re: BvrRetriever] #7185556
02/16/21 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by BvrRetriever
Originally Posted by The Beav
Well they aren't trying to stop it totally just wanting to have It start on Nov 4th or so next fall. I don't know why this doesn't make sense to you guys.



Beav, it makes total sense to me. I believe the WI DNR is attempting to use delay tactics so there is no hunt this month. This is in hope that wolves will get relisted between now and November and then there'll be no hunt then either.

I’ll start by saying I’m not very familiar with the court system. And I don’t know how or if pending rulings can delay the start of a hunt. But it seems like the DNR could use delay tactics long enough that for all practical purposes, there might not be a season this month. They have filed with the Court of Appeals. That ruling won’t be known until Wednesday. If I understand things right, the DNR could then file a Petition for Review by the Supreme Court. It would amount to nothing more than burning time and eat away at the available timeline for a hunt this month.

Like I said though, I don’t know if pending rulings can delay the already announced start date.



Sierra Club submitted a brief supporting the WIDRN's request for a stay of the court ordered wolf hunt. Hunter Nation has until Wednesday to submit a response to the Sierra Club's brief. The appeals court will then consider all information and make a decision (politics driven no doubt) as to whether the lower court had the right to prevent a stay of its decision to force the DNR to manage the wolf population through the use of a mandated by law wolf hunt.

If the WIDNR and their partner Sierra Club prevail, the DNR will get their stay, the wolf hunt for this month will be put on hold and Hunter Nation can appeal to the WI Supreme Court. If the DNR and Sierra Club lose their appeal for a stay, the hunt continues and the WIDNR can then choose to pursue their request for a stay at the Supreme Court level.

Either way, the WIDNR uses Wisconsin sportsman's money against them in this fight and makes additional money in the form of fees from every application for the privilege whether a hunt occurs or not ... win,win for WIDNR.


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Re: Wisconsin Wolves [Re: Fox Claw] #7185560
02/16/21 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Fox Claw
One anti group is encouraging their members to apply in order to tie up tags. They have offered financial incentives to do this. Here's a copy of post with name removed: [Linked Image]

Some do this for bobcats too. They don't realize the state sets the number of tags sold based on the number of animals they want killed. They are basically donating $ to the state. If the quota isn't met, the state will just issue more tags next time (assuming there is a 'next time').

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Re: Wisconsin Wolves [Re: handitrapper] #7185575
02/16/21 09:40 PM
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I'm surprised Sierra Club's brief is given so much weight. Not surprising, I guess, with politics involved.

DNR has lost respect from this fiasco.

5 years ago I believed more that DNR wanted a wolf hunt. We need the DNR Secretary reporting to the NRB

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Re: Wisconsin Wolves [Re: Wild_WI] #7185673
02/16/21 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Wild_WI
Anyone else notice that this thread has almost half a million views and the word game thread with 231 pages only has 81K views makes you wonder who's all reading this...

I did not notice that. Hmmm...

Re: Wisconsin Wolves [Re: Moosetrot] #7185686
02/16/21 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Moosetrot
On the personal side, while I am very interested and excited about the prospects of taking a wolf here in Wisconsin, I have made the choice to not apply for this season for a number of reasons. This thing hatched very recently and when I am able to finally take a wolf I want to be able to plan the hunt or trap carefully with a decent amount of time to scout, make contacts, and set up whatever gear I need to take a wolf efficiently. This six day season, which I seriously doubt will happen, seems way too rushed for me to do it the way I want and truly believe it should be done.

I was contacted by a member on this thread who generously offered the potential of putting me on wolves, but in conversation I told him this is most likely not the time for me.

For those that take part in this, I wish you the greatest luck and success, and we're gonna need pictures if you get one. But for me, this is not the time or the way I want to do it.

Moosetrot

I am 'all in' hoping I draw a tag, but I can see where you are coming from. I think a lot of people will find it too challenging to wait until Monday morning to figure out if they draw. For many, that's too late for them to put in for vacation time at work. I do wish they could notify us Sunday, but I guess I'll take what I can get. It will be very awkward going to bed not knowing if I am getting up for work or for wolf trapping. The gamble on your end will be whether or not there is a wolf hunt in the Fall after Biden gets his say.

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Re: Wisconsin Wolves [Re: bblwi] #7185757
02/17/21 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by bblwi
2,000 permits with a quota of 200. The quota is the aspect that allows for harvesting even if some want to not utilize their permit. With 1,000 going for preference points that means 1,000 for active harvest or up to 20% potential success rate. Could be optimistic based on short notice and not being able to plan and set aside time but to me does indicate that the science numbers indicate a high enough wolf population that one out of 5 holders could succeed. Also the 1,000 going to preference points indicates to me that they are really quite confident about future seasons. Lets hope this all goes as smoothly as possible and we report all the harvests. We need to establish that sportsmen are willing to report harvests. When one reads the WON we see high levels of non compliance. We need to improve in that area of being honest and trustworthy. Lets also hope that even though success may be less likely that we harvest some wolves in the areas where human interactions by wolves are problematic. That can also include areas where hunting hounds are being killed and injured.

Bryce



You must work for the DNR? Did they pay you for the time it took to make the post? If not, you live in an alternate state of reality.

Re: Wisconsin Wolves [Re: AJE] #7185776
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Originally Posted by AJE
Originally Posted by Wild_WI
Anyone else notice that this thread has almost half a million views and the word game thread with 231 pages only has 81K views makes you wonder who's all reading this...

I did not notice that. Hmmm...



Who cares? We’re living it.

Re: Wisconsin Wolves [Re: handitrapper] #7185786
02/17/21 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by BvrRetriever
Originally Posted by Wild_WI
Anyone else notice that this thread has almost half a million views and the word game thread with 231 pages only has 81K views makes you wonder who's all reading this...



Who cares? We’re living it.

I think he was hinting that antis might be reading it.

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Re: Wisconsin Wolves [Re: bblwi] #7185788
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Originally Posted by bblwi
We need to improve in that area of being honest and trustworthy
When people find out about the suit DNR filed this week in trying to sabatoge this wolf hunt by getting the appelate court to shut it down, I think there'll be a lot of angry people that are less willing to be compliant.

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Re: Wisconsin Wolves [Re: AJE] #7185801
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I’m sure the antis ARE reading this...what are you going to do about it? It’s a public forum. The fact of the matter is everyone can read it. We’ve got a problem and it’s that the WI DNR is anti and they introduced protected wolves as a method to put a stop to the traditional deer hunt. Think about it guys...they think the wolf can control the deer population and the deer hunting tradition will go to the wayside. And it’s been working so far...we need to fight for this!

Re: Wisconsin Wolves [Re: handitrapper] #7185815
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AJE-I hope you get drawn and I hope you get one! Nice to see your enthusiasm on this.

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Re: Wisconsin Wolves [Re: handitrapper] #7185819
02/17/21 01:13 AM
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Folks should go back and skim the pages and get the views up even a little more. Lol We hit on a lot of things and even accomplished some things along the way. I can't thank those that participated enough. I don't think the views are all that different than a few of the other threads we did(,otter, beaver, common opener, etc).

In the future when the department loses the ability to make decisions, this thread should be exhibit A. They proved beyond a shadow of a doubt they couldn't be a responsible steward of this resource.


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Re: Wisconsin Wolves [Re: WIMarshRAT] #7185823
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Originally Posted by WIMarshRAT
Thanks!!! That is awesome. I wasn't aware about this. I'll have to figure out how to 'bookmark' that. I know Mike W and he is a top notch instructor (& does a great job doing the Trappers Post, too).

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Re: Wisconsin Wolves [Re: handitrapper] #7186011
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BVRretriver I was mostly trying to caution folks away from talking about hunt plans / locations because I'm sure there are antis reading and this is a contentious topic.

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Re: Wisconsin Wolves [Re: Wild_WI] #7186067
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Originally Posted by Wild_WI
BVRretriver I was mostly trying to caution folks away from talking about hunt plans / locations because I'm sure there are antis reading and this is a contentious topic.


Good point.

Re: Wisconsin Wolves [Re: AJE] #7186127
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Originally Posted by AJE
Originally Posted by Fox Claw
One anti group is encouraging their members to apply in order to tie up tags. They have offered financial incentives to do this. Here's a copy of post with name removed: [Linked Image]

Some antis do this for bobcats too. They don't realize the state sets the number of tags sold based on the number of animals they want killed. They are basically donating $ to the state. If the quota isn't met, the state will just issue more tags next time (assuming there is a 'next time'). These goofs are probably the same people flooding the online ballot boxes now that Conservation Congress votes online. Within seconds they can probably send a mass message off to all their fellow antis.


I love that they are taking an active role in helping fund depredation claims...even the dogs killed by wolves hunting bears. I wonder how many of their members will revolt when they find out?

Since 50% of the tags go to those with most points, those are not available unless they have been applying all along. So even if they drew 100% of the permits that were random draw, that takes us back down to a success rate of 10%. They would have to get thousands of members to apply to even get a fraction of those tags. I hope they are successful and it is used against them to show just how many folks wanted a tag for this short season. Lol


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Is this up coming wolf hunting trapping season open to Non residents?


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Originally Posted by The Beav
Is this up coming wolf hunting trapping season open to Non residents?


Yes, it is.

Re: Wisconsin Wolves [Re: handitrapper] #7186338
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You people in the areas full of wolves, do you think 200 can be reached in a one week season? I know not a problem in fall, but what about now, I couldn't even get into my cabin unless I had the drive cleared with a dozer or cat, could snowshoe in and have in the past, but will not be trying for this tag. As for thread count, I have looked at this at least 10 times, they all add up.


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Re: Wisconsin Wolves [Re: handitrapper] #7186343
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What's our success rate for a late season bobcat tag and what drives it? Those factors in play here?


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