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Wax Paper or Steel Screens #7186828
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What are some advantages to a steel screen or wax paper? Seems like wax is the go to during cold weather, but I haven't used steel screens.

Re: Wax Paper or Steel Screens [Re: Wvpossum] #7186837
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Steel screen means, no dirt covering the trap, which means no frozen crust on top of the trap. JM2Cs

Re: Wax Paper or Steel Screens [Re: Wvpossum] #7186849
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Unless I’m making snow sets, I gave up wax paper for pipe insulation under the pan. Just because it’s easier to carry a roll of insulation than a bunch of paper. Screens never made sense to me. A stiff screen rocks on the pan and a softer screen can be molded around a pan like wax paper, but way more expensive or time consuming...


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Re: Wax Paper or Steel Screens [Re: Wvpossum] #7186868
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I use both, depends on weather for me.


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Re: Wax Paper or Steel Screens [Re: Wvpossum] #7186919
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Can you cover wax paper with a little bit of grass covering and catch critters? If so I’m switching over to wax paper!
I use screen so my sets are still operational after 2-3” of rain we get every time a front rolls through. My dirt hole sets or any set covered in dirt seems to become a small pond and critters won’t step in it.

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Re: Wax Paper or Steel Screens [Re: Wanna Be] #7186969
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Originally Posted by Wanna Be
Can you cover wax paper with a little bit of grass covering and catch critters? If so I’m switching over to wax paper!
I use screen so my sets are still operational after 2-3” of rain we get every time a front rolls through. My dirt hole sets or any set covered in dirt seems to become a small pond and critters won’t step in it.

Lol, trapping season where I trap has freezing nights and days from the get go. I can only set on high and dry or I’ll have ice cubes for a month with that much rain, even with wax dirt. Just goes to show, there are different conditions everywhere. Do you set like the pipe dream sets with space underneath to get away with that much rain?


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Re: Wax Paper or Steel Screens [Re: bhugo] #7187016
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Originally Posted by bhugo
Originally Posted by Wanna Be
Can you cover wax paper with a little bit of grass covering and catch critters? If so I’m switching over to wax paper!
I use screen so my sets are still operational after 2-3” of rain we get every time a front rolls through. My dirt hole sets or any set covered in dirt seems to become a small pond and critters won’t step in it.

Lol, trapping season where I trap has freezing nights and days from the get go. I can only set on high and dry or I’ll have ice cubes for a month with that much rain, even with wax dirt. Just goes to show, there are different conditions everywhere. Do you set like the pipe dream sets with space underneath to get away with that much rain?

Yes sir. Always have a deep hole underneath. I’ve went to pull traps and pop the screen off and have 3” or more under the pan. It just works better for me down here when we have this much rain. We don’t have freezing like the northern states.

Re: Wax Paper or Steel Screens [Re: Wvpossum] #7187030
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Wax paper here.


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Re: Wax Paper or Steel Screens [Re: Wvpossum] #7187034
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So the steel screen doesnt shift around like paper of fiberglass? Could use leaves like a grass covering too couldnt you?

Re: Wax Paper or Steel Screens [Re: Wvpossum] #7187102
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Originally Posted by Wvpossum
So the steel screen doesnt shift around like paper of fiberglass? Could use leaves like a grass covering too couldnt you?

Yes, that's the simple beauty of screen.
And if you form it to fit perfect inside the trap, there is no movement of the screen. Except down.

Re: Wax Paper or Steel Screens [Re: Wvpossum] #7187143
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When pulling, lift the movable jaw and it lifts out. I just put them in a plastic ziplock bag and reuse. No fuss, no mess. If it wasn’t for Zaggers way of bedding and screen use my season would be a bust this year. 75% of my catches have been on the PDS. And I’m putting in a 50/50 of dirt covering vs screen. Some of my scent post and flat sets have screen as well. All depends on the location.
I will also throw in that we are having a seriously wet year. When dirt holes get flooded out that PDS or sets with screen coverings are still functioning.

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Re: Wax Paper or Steel Screens [Re: Wvpossum] #7187211
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When heavy rain covers the trap bed with water and washes/floats your lure onto the trap bed how is this affecting the screens reuse....getting lure odor all over them and the trap?

This is a common occurrence when any set is flooded, especially dirtholes. All that bait/lure odor is now settled on the trap bed and trap. I use polyfil and change that out but trap is smelly many times too.

I've had in-line springs on all my dirt traps due to live market trapping over the years. I am in the process of removing them as scented dirt/mud jams in the springs and causes digging at remakes.....same principle.


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Re: Wax Paper or Steel Screens [Re: Wvpossum] #7187511
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I use to use bakery tissue wax paper sheets. It is softer/ quieter and easier to use than regular rolls of wax paper

https://www.amazon.com/bakery-tissue-sheets/s?k=bakery+tissue+sheets


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Re: Wax Paper or Steel Screens [Re: Wvpossum] #7187515
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My screen use is limited to the Pipe Dream set and scent post sets. The pipe generally doesn’t get covered in water and scent post it’s generally up high. Dirt holes are the ones that end up flooding out, but I’m working on that. Here lately I’ve created a “drain” trench and started putting my dirt holes not at ground level. Guess it would be more of a trench set with the hole up off the deck about 3” or so and more horizontal than vertical. Those have been the only “dirt hole” sets that have produced vs the standard dirt hole. This year has been an experimental learning experience. And they are forecasting another 2.5-5” today, lol.

Re: Wax Paper or Steel Screens [Re: Wvpossum] #7187651
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I have used used Screen, Wax paper, and polyfil. This year I experimented with the landscape fabric. It is by far in my humble opinion the best stuff I have ever used. It lays as flat as a pancake, it lets rain through, and I can use one over and over again. I can't see myself ever using anything else.

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Straight screen user here spring summer fall and winter. And dogless trap.
With say mb550 or duke 550 type trap you are better off using other types of pan coverings, a coffee filter will work also just to add to stuff used lol.


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Re: Wax Paper or Steel Screens [Re: red mt] #7187897
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Originally Posted by red mt
Straight screen user here spring summer fall and winter. And dogless trap.
With say mb550 or duke 550 type trap you are better off using other types of pan coverings, a coffee filter will work also just to add to stuff used lol.

Why do you think screen would be a bad choice for dogged 550’s? It has seemed to work fine for me, but I might be missing something.

Re: Wax Paper or Steel Screens [Re: swamp] #7188073
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Originally Posted by swamp
I have used used Screen, Wax paper, and polyfil. This year I experimented with the landscape fabric. It is by far in my humble opinion the best stuff I have ever used. It lays as flat as a pancake, it lets rain through, and I can use one over and over again. I can't see myself ever using anything else.

Tried most every way imaginable and have to agree with swamp.


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Re: Wax Paper or Steel Screens [Re: Wvpossum] #7188219
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So the landscape fabric is still enough to lay over the jaws and allow just a grass or leaf covering even with a good rain?
Or is it good for dirt only?

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Re: Wax Paper or Steel Screens [Re: Wanna Be] #7188793
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Originally Posted by Wanna Be
When pulling, lift the movable jaw and it lifts out. I just put them in a plastic ziplock bag and reuse. No fuss, no mess. If it wasn’t for Zaggers way of bedding and screen use my season would be a bust this year. 75% of my catches have been on the PDS. And I’m putting in a 50/50 of dirt covering vs screen. Some of my scent post and flat sets have screen as well. All depends on the location.
I will also throw in that we are having a seriously wet year. When dirt holes get flooded out that PDS or sets with screen coverings are still functioning.


Do you use the Zaggers way for all your sets, or just pipe dreams?

Re: Wax Paper or Steel Screens [Re: Wanna Be] #7188821
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I mostly use waxed dirt to cover the landscape cloth but the few time I have use just grass they worked just fine but then I haven't had to deal with long periods of hard rain either.


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Re: Wax Paper or Steel Screens [Re: Wvpossum] #7188961
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For me, steel on my Pipe Dream with grass covering.....wax patty papers in my hole sets with peat moss.

Have I used steel screen on my holes with with peat? Yes.......

I just don't have to.

With the Pipe Dream and grass, I need the stiff backbone of the steel screen to support my material (grass) and provide a perfect, nice, flat, low place to step to work the pipe.

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Re: Wax Paper or Steel Screens [Re: Zagman] #7189024
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Originally Posted by Zagman
For me, steel on my Pipe Dream with grass covering.....wax patty papers in my hole sets with peat moss.
MZ


Why the difference?

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What I said above:

With the Pipe Dream and grass, I need the stiff backbone of the steel screen to support my material (grass) and provide a perfect, nice, flat, low place to step to work the pipe.

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Re: Wax Paper or Steel Screens [Re: Wvpossum] #7189303
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Depends. If bare ground I’ll bed them the old fashion way...peat moss and dirt over the top with with polyfil under the pan. That may be overkill, but I want them functioning as long as possible. Most of my sets are in or around grass, so Pipe Dream sets, flat sets, and most scent post sets get the screen and a light covering of grass or leaves. It just works for me. Like I stated, this year has been extremely wet, wetter than normal.

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Originally Posted by Zagman
What I said above:

With the Pipe Dream and grass, I need the stiff backbone of the steel screen to support my material (grass) and provide a perfect, nice, flat, low place to step to work the pipe.

Zagman


What I meant was why don't you do the hole sets the same way?

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Re: Wax Paper or Steel Screens [Re: Wvpossum] #7190452
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How do you bed a trap In peat moss and have It bedded rock solid..


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I don’t bed a trap in peat. I bed it in dirt and fill inside the trap with peat moss.
As far as using screen at a dirt hole set, if I was to cover in grass then I’d dig my bed different and use screen and grass. The purpose of a dirt hole set for me is the visual attraction. Using dirt on screen doesn’t last for me after rain. It will basically just be a bare screen cover after a decent rain and to me that just stands out and asks to be dug up.

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Originally Posted by Wanna Be
Originally Posted by red mt
Straight screen user here spring summer fall and winter. And dogless trap.
With say mb550 or duke 550 type trap you are better off using other types of pan coverings, a coffee filter will work also just to add to stuff used lol.

Why do you think screen would be a bad choice for dogged 550’s? It has seemed to work fine for me, but I might be missing something.


I do think it can be used but it would seem to me the stiff steel screen that keg creek sells imo you pretty much have to perform, maybe not I do not use a mb 550 trap I just slide mine in it lays flat as a pancake In a trap. I also believe preforming steel screen defeats the screen purpose imo.


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Oh ok, yeah I had to go with screen from No BS. A much lighter screen, but heavy enough to serve its intended purpose. I found that after searching Marty’s site and the screen wasn’t black or recommended for 550’s. These other screens are spot on for my PDS and on top of that they work. But yeah, that thick screen is tough to get formed.

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Originally Posted by Flint Lock
Originally Posted by Zagman
What I said above:

With the Pipe Dream and grass, I need the stiff backbone of the steel screen to support my material (grass) and provide a perfect, nice, flat, low place to step to work the pipe.

Zagman


What I meant was why don't you do the hole sets the same way?


If its a hay field I am setting in, then I can do my hole sets the same. BUT, then I know that holes gonna flood and/or fill in with snow, SO, more and more, IF in a hay field, I just make Pipe Sets OR....IF its a "hole" set, perhaps its just two small double poke holes I make with my cable stake driver.

If in a corn field or soy bean field, I just don't like the "look" of a hole set with a grass covering. I can do it, but not ideal. Probably more me than the coyotes that don't like it.....just how I've evolved, I reckon....

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Three years ago, I tried the pipe dream set and failed miserably. Two years ago, every other day it rained. The ground was absolutely saturated. Driving on field roads guaranteed deep ruts or getting stuck so I had to walk in. Setting dirtholes meant bringing dirt in for every set so I opted for the pipe dream set and it worked flawlessly. Last fall, due to a wet opener, I used the pipe dream set with Keg Creek black pan covers I had sitting around for my #3 Montanas. Also used the not so stiff galvanized steel screen produced by John Graham for my 550s. Both provided just enough stiffness to support the grass and catch critters.

Being cheap, I didn’t buy any Keg Creek pan cover replacements and just bought several dozen of John Graham’s covers. When I set my screens they fit over the pans but under the jaws.

While finish sanding some sheet rock plaster a couple years ago, I found sanding screen was almost as thick and stiff as the Keg Creek screen covers. Now I just need to find a source for the quantity I use. Please note: it isn’t metal and I don’t know how well it holds up to moisture. If it makes it thru some experimental sets, I may be buying it for trapping purposes in the future.


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Originally Posted by Teacher
Three years ago, I tried the pipe dream set and failed miserably. Two years ago, every other day it rained. The ground was absolutely saturated. Driving on field roads guaranteed deep ruts or getting stuck so I had to walk in. Setting dirtholes meant bringing dirt in for every set so I opted for the pipe dream set and it worked flawlessly. Last fall, due to a wet opener, I used the pipe dream set with Keg Creek black pan covers I had sitting around for my #3 Montanas. Also used the not so stiff galvanized steel screen produced by John Graham for my 550s. Both provided just enough stiffness to support the grass and catch critters.

Being cheap, I didn’t buy any Keg Creek pan cover replacements and just bought several dozen of John Graham’s covers. When I set my screens they fit over the pans but under the jaws.

While finish sanding some sheet rock plaster a couple years ago, I found sanding screen was almost as thick and stiff as the Keg Creek screen covers. Now I just need to find a source for the quantity I use. Please note: it isn’t metal and I don’t know how well it holds up to moisture. If it makes it thru some experimental sets, I may be buying it for trapping purposes in the future.


Your story is similar to MANY I've heard.....tried it a few times, no success. Then, one year, incessant rain and try it again, and BINGO. The whole thing came about due to ANNUAL rains during coyote season and forcing me to let the Necessity is the Mother of All Inventions approach kick in.....

Again, I've said this a million times, I was making my T-Bones, Grass Tuft (post set), Wooden Dowel, Double Poke Holes, etc. like this for a LONG LONG time. The Pipe was added last, but gave the set its name. Everyone's hung up on the pipe, but as this thread shows, the steel screen and grass are a big part of it as well.

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I always associated the Pipe Dream set with the actual bedding vs anything else. But of course the bedding of the trap is no good without the screen, lol.

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Originally Posted by Zagman
Originally Posted by Teacher
Three years ago, I tried the pipe dream set and failed miserably. Two years ago, every other day it rained. The ground was absolutely saturated. Driving on field roads guaranteed deep ruts or getting stuck so I had to walk in. Setting dirtholes meant bringing dirt in for every set so I opted for the pipe dream set and it worked flawlessly. Last fall, due to a wet opener, I used the pipe dream set with Keg Creek black pan covers I had sitting around for my #3 Montanas. Also used the not so stiff galvanized steel screen produced by John Graham for my 550s. Both provided just enough stiffness to support the grass and catch critters.

Being cheap, I didn’t buy any Keg Creek pan cover replacements and just bought several dozen of John Graham’s covers. When I set my screens they fit over the pans but under the jaws.

While finish sanding some sheet rock plaster a couple years ago, I found sanding screen was almost as thick and stiff as the Keg Creek screen covers. Now I just need to find a source for the quantity I use. Please note: it isn’t metal and I don’t know how well it holds up to moisture. If it makes it thru some experimental sets, I may be buying it for trapping purposes in the future.


Your story is similar to MANY I've heard.....tried it a few times, no success. Then, one year, incessant rain and try it again, and BINGO. The whole thing came about due to ANNUAL rains during coyote season and forcing me to let the Necessity is the Mother of All Inventions approach kick in.....

Again, I've said this a million times, I was making my T-Bones, Grass Tuft (post set), Wooden Dowel, Double Poke Holes, etc. like this for a LONG LONG time. The Pipe was added last, but gave the set its name. Everyone's hung up on the pipe, but as this thread shows, the steel screen and grass are a big part of it as well.

MZ

Thanks for your help in this thread.

If I were to try this in an area that’s froze nightly, how would I freeze proof it? I usually bed in waxed sand. I am interested in trying this method of bedding.


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Re: Wax Paper or Steel Screens [Re: Wvpossum] #7195478
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Frozen ground....I salt the top edge all around the trap jaws where I pinched the sod in against the jaws with my hammer. Seems to work fine......

MZ


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Re: Wax Paper or Steel Screens [Re: Zagman] #7195622
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Originally Posted by Zagman
Frozen ground....I salt the top edge all around the trap jaws where I pinched the sod in against the jaws with my hammer. Seems to work fine......

MZ

Thank you.


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Re: Wax Paper or Steel Screens [Re: Zagman] #7201078
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Originally Posted by Zagman
Originally Posted by Teacher
Three years ago, I tried the pipe dream set and failed miserably. Two years ago, every other day it rained. The ground was absolutely saturated. Driving on field roads guaranteed deep ruts or getting stuck so I had to walk in. Setting dirtholes meant bringing dirt in for every set so I opted for the pipe dream set and it worked flawlessly. Last fall, due to a wet opener, I used the pipe dream set with Keg Creek black pan covers I had sitting around for my #3 Montanas. Also used the not so stiff galvanized steel screen produced by John Graham for my 550s. Both provided just enough stiffness to support the grass and catch critters.

Being cheap, I didn’t buy any Keg Creek pan cover replacements and just bought several dozen of John Graham’s covers. When I set my screens they fit over the pans but under the jaws.

While finish sanding some sheet rock plaster a couple years ago, I found sanding screen was almost as thick and stiff as the Keg Creek screen covers. Now I just need to find a source for the quantity I use. Please note: it isn’t metal and I don’t know how well it holds up to moisture. If it makes it thru some experimental sets, I may be buying it for trapping purposes in the future.


Your story is similar to MANY I've heard.....tried it a few times, no success. Then, one year, incessant rain and try it again, and BINGO. The whole thing came about due to ANNUAL rains during coyote season and forcing me to let the Necessity is the Mother of All Inventions approach kick in.....

Again, I've said this a million times, I was making my T-Bones, Grass Tuft (post set), Wooden Dowel, Double Poke Holes, etc. like this for a LONG LONG time. The Pipe was added last, but gave the set its name. Everyone's hung up on the pipe, but as this thread shows, the steel screen and grass are a big part of it as well.

MZ

Mark, its good to see you here on this thread. I started using your pipe several years ago with great success, thanks so much for sharing. We were sloppy wet in Va this year and the pipe really shined. I experimented by putting in a dirt hole and pipe 10 feet apart in lots of locations. On multiple checks after heavy rains the dirt holes were washed out and the pipes held jumping yotes.

On a side note I caught an otter in a soybean field in a pipe set. He was crossing through my field going from pond to pond. Otter season was out and I had to release him which is quite a trick when the mouth is so close to those short legs.. I used a catch pole to hold him and slid my grass clipping bag over his head, which calmed him a bit but didnt do anything for me, but give me a chance to spring the levers and let him out.

Re: Wax Paper or Steel Screens [Re: Owen156] #7202660
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You experienced the exact whether that forced me to come up with something to work in that type of weather. In the end, we RARELY have a dry fall and even if its shows NO RAIN or snow for a week or more, I used pipes, as it WILL change. You can count on it!

Thanks!

MZ


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And we just got another 4.3” yesterday...

Re: Wax Paper or Steel Screens [Re: Wvpossum] #7202818
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I’ve used screen for what seems like forever. When I relocated, I had to use wax-paper under the screen, because of the Sand.

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