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Re: The great double longspring thread!
[Re: Possumchamp]
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09/06/21 12:25 PM
09/06/21 12:25 PM
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Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 1,138
Southern Nevada
cat_trapper_nv
"Cat Master"
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"Cat Master"
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 1,138
Southern Nevada
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Can anyone talk about a no 11 offset double jaw for a coyote trap? I am curious if it’s enough trap . I use a few mb450 and seem to hold them fine. I use the smaller traps cause they seem to do well on off target such as coon and fox well. Like I said I’ve not really noticed a issue with the yotes in 450 so I’m kinda in the mind set that I don’t need a 2 or larger. With all that said, I’m not a yote master either. Thanks and any info is appreciated. Haha can it hold a coyote, yes. Is it ideal, no. My buddy and I modified one with lams, #2 chain, and an inline shock. We did it more as a joke than anything in mocking small trap users. Didn’t think it would actually work. Caught a coyote and a bobcat with it. Held them both great. Took a lot of work to convert it to something that I could use out of the box. Now we both mainly use the 450. Easier to bed, and has a good size pan. Haha now we are small trap users haha. But we also don’t have to worry about snow or frozen ground.
If traps work like the Antis say......I would have no fingers.
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
[Re: mad_mike]
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09/27/21 10:34 AM
09/27/21 10:34 AM
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Posts: 1,445
Custer Co, Idaho
sneaky
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trapper
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Posts: 1,445
Custer Co, Idaho
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![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2021/01/full-6321-81934-2c310bc5_985a_456d_a94d_30a5b2aa857d.jpeg) They work. What trap is that Mike?
Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
[Re: sneaky]
#7369246
10/01/21 08:28 PM
10/01/21 08:28 PM
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Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 5,731
49th State
mad_mike
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trapper
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Posts: 5,731
49th State
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They work. What trap is that Mike? It is a Sleepy Creek 4.5.
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
[Re: Snares&All]
#7369359
10/01/21 11:21 PM
10/01/21 11:21 PM
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Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 5,020
central arkansas
the Blak Spot
trapper
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trapper
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 5,020
central arkansas
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Those 4.5 are a great trap!
the just shall live by faith
member FTA, ATA, EAFT
1776 - the year we told a tyrant we weren't to be under a dictator
Caveat ater macula
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
[Re: Buck (Zandra)]
#7435531
12/18/21 11:56 PM
12/18/21 11:56 PM
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Joined: Aug 2020
Posts: 70
MT
Nunyacreek
trapper
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trapper
Joined: Aug 2020
Posts: 70
MT
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That top picture looks like No.4's.There was a time I wouldn't own a Victor No.4 longspring,I tried them for beaver and hated them,used them for'cats and they were all right,and coyotes?Forget it.Then some years back I was looking at The Trap Shed and a guy had a bunch of modified Sleepy Creek No.3 longsprings and I bought them.That got me to thinking.Watching the Trap Shed I found a guy selling a couple dozen stock Victor No.4's and bought them,and had a friend offset them,base plate and laminated the jaws.I added PIT pans and OMG what a trap!What a difference!I love the way it grabs those coyote paws and holds them comfortably.If I was in country with a heavy mix of 'coon and/or fox I'd probably go with something else.But as a coyote exclusive it has done a very good job for me.As happy as I was with it I did one more mod to a dozen,I put electrical box covers on the PIT pans,that cover about fills the entire space between the jaws.Some don't like pans that large,I love'em. Buck I have a question … I hear lots of people worried about toe catches and “centering the foot in the jaws” with a small pan. If you have sufficient pan tension and part of the foot is on the jaws doesn’t the coyote just stand on the jaw and not spring the trap if it’s not centered even with a big pan? Seems like with a big electrical box pan I you could pack around the outside of the jaws, put a pan cover over the whole thing and it would work great. With a regular pan I defiantly have trouble packing dirt between the jaw and the pan.
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
[Re: Snares&All]
#7435698
12/19/21 08:34 AM
12/19/21 08:34 AM
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Posts: 2,589
Garden,Michigan
Buck (Zandra)
trapper
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trapper
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 2,589
Garden,Michigan
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Correct.Whether its a big pan or small,he's got to put enough pressure on it to fire it.I like the whole inside of the spread to be a kill area.In my area and with our coyotes you might only have one shot at a coyote when he comes thru,I don't think much of the "if I miss him today Ill get him later" theory.In other areas of the country that may not be a concern .I never noticed my ratio of toe catches going up using a large pan but if I do grab them by the toes I still have them.Using small pans is no guarantee you still won't get toe catches,that can happen no matter what size the pan.
Buck(formely known as Zandra)
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
[Re: rick olson]
#7443453
12/28/21 07:44 AM
12/28/21 07:44 AM
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Posts: 5,020
central arkansas
the Blak Spot
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trapper
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Posts: 5,020
central arkansas
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Twin loop is what is shown I would'nt trust that with coyotes they can bite on the chain and crush bend and open up twin loop chain,I would replace that twin loop with #3 machine American made chain if your using them on drag traps I would use 10 ' of #5 chain. I agree
the just shall live by faith
member FTA, ATA, EAFT
1776 - the year we told a tyrant we weren't to be under a dictator
Caveat ater macula
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Re: The great double longspring thread!
[Re: JComer]
#7478055
01/29/22 08:08 PM
01/29/22 08:08 PM
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Posts: 1,036
Georgia
yote65Ga
trapper
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trapper
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 1,036
Georgia
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do they make pit pans for #2 victor long springs? or will the #3 long spring pit pans work? Thanks x2
Jim
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