Re: Wisconsin Wolves
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08/04/21 10:30 AM
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I feel we should proceed with caution as there could be a change in the "planned or original goal" of 350 wolves. That was done with bears when the research indicated there were about 10K more than the original 15K that was thought to be out there, now we deal with the over 20K of bear as the norm. Yes there probably will be law suits coming from both ends which means the science will not be a major impact factor as the legal arguments are made.
Bryce Did the state ever try to shut down the bear harvest until they could get a higher population goal? Or did they just let hunters lead the effort to drive acceptance for a higher population? Hunters will lead if you give them the chance, but you have to show them you are willing to fight for them. I believe in 1985 the DNR closed the season on bear due to low numbers.
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Re: Wisconsin Wolves
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08/04/21 01:45 PM
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I believe in 1985 the DNR closed the season on bear due to low numbers.
I wonder who was asking the department to limit harvest? Any idea on if we were we under or over goal? Any thing we can learn from this example?
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Re: Wisconsin Wolves
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08/04/21 02:30 PM
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Bryce, I tend to agree so let's look back at the last conservative harvest and how it impacted the number of wolves in southern farmland. Folks are probably sick of this example, but here it is again.
After a significant harvest in 2013(257), the department decided to go conservative with their wolf harvest in 2014-5 season. With a off reservation midpoint winter count of 648, the state recommended a quota of 156. 150 of that quota was given to state license holders. The state also decided to pressure zone 6 and put a quota of 35 which was over 100% of the midpoint winter count (28). So what happened?
Well we harvested 36 wolves or nearly 129% of midpoint winter count, yet the population grew from 7 packs to 11. The very opposite of what we wanted to have happen.
So since we had population growth in zone 6, we didn't harvest 20% of actual population since science says 20-29% give us stable, but we had growth. Since we harvested 36 wolves, I can divide by .2 to get a more realistic population estimate. 36/.2=180. Published science says I need 40% to start to decrease population. So if I take 180X.4=72. Assuming no growth in zone 6 since 2014, we would need to harvest 72 wolves to start to see the population go down.
Now here is a fun little tidbit about this zone. What is the last actual population estimate for zone 6? 56. If we harvest 129% of this number like we did in 2014, that also gives us a quota of 72.
If we started with 156 like they did in 2014 and only swap out my increase for zone 6, that gets us to 192. So unless we go higher in quota for the other zones, we will continue to see population growth in zone 6.
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Re: Wisconsin Wolves
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08/04/21 03:15 PM
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From my perspective I would have hoped the committee would have asked for more than 130 but not as high as 300. Asking for a 140% increase over what the Department is asking for to me does not seem to be a sincere or serious attempt at gaining more permits being offered. Sure we want to reduce the population and that can be done, but it does not have to be done in one year. We have had over a half a decade with no harvest so being willing to get seasons over time to measure the result of harvests will help to better solidify what the numbers should be in the future. Also asking for that many after 200 plus wolves were harvested in the same year to me actually lowers the value of a permit for a trophy. We now are looking at wanting to harvest more wolves then bobcats in a season and we have spent a lot of money and time trying to increase the bobcat population as with fisher, marten and even bear we are not looking to decrease the numbers from a goal that was readjusted up by almost 70% a few years ago. As a trapper I can see the rationale but I don't feel we should be treating one predator with such contempt while we have actually paid money to do research to increase other predator species. I don't feel we should make the antis job any easier than it is already.
Bryce It's not for the WCC to "ask" for a number of tags to be issued. They recommend a quota based off the information they bring to the table. No one should adjust their calculations because they are afraid to rock the boat. The animal lovers are already fighting for 0. The DNR is twisting their formulas and likely dealing with political pressure to recommend a number that doesn't p... off either side too much. And the WCC is recommending if the carrying population is the goal then they recommend a full force season like in the prior full seasons because the population is still not under control.
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Re: Wisconsin Wolves
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08/11/21 04:44 PM
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If you would like to see the NRB discussion on wolf quota today, you find at link below. https://youtu.be/PiNrFT4DfzwBoard passed a quota of 300 after failing to pass a couple motions for much more liberal quota.
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Re: Wisconsin Wolves
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08/13/21 07:51 AM
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I hope you draw a tag too, AJE!
I was most disappointed in the DNR Secretary throwing a temper tantrum when he and the administration were called out for their deceptive tricks and playing politics with the issue. It only grew worse as it became clear he wouldn't get his way. I am glad I took the time to testify as you can no longer claim they don't know.
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Re: Wisconsin Wolves
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08/23/21 03:47 PM
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Any doubt this administration would do everything in their power to keep from harvesting more wolves was eliminated when Josh Kaul decided he would try to remove a board member. Looks like the legislature is going to use funds to defend Prehn. https://www.weau.com/2021/08/21/law...suit-over-chair-natural-resources-board/
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Re: Wisconsin Wolves
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08/24/21 07:59 AM
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Lots of nonresidents still come to the convention. Don't be a stranger.
But I cant talk. I live pretty close and I cant make it work this year.
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Re: Wisconsin Wolves
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08/26/21 08:51 PM
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The lady trying to replace him would be a disaster.
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Re: Wisconsin Wolves
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08/28/21 09:32 PM
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The lady trying to replace him would be a disaster. She held a leadership position on the Bayfield CDAC. They ignored very strong public input against their recommendation and refused to adjust their original recommendation for antlerless permits on public land to account for the feedback. Thankfully the current board adjusted the permit levels when it came before them.
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