Re: When to till WINTER RYE?
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04/07/21 11:43 PM
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I always thought it had to be rolled over to rot down the green but wife way is more modern . When you let get to a foot the ground is supplying it with more N than if is 10 inches however there is more mass to bring the N back up . Not sure .I bet big ag could tell you but why line their pockets ! If sustainable ag and organics used their science (big ag )and brains who knows the what the ground would do . I wish you well and a good crop . If you let it get over 8 in I would guess you would have to use something like a moldboard plow then rollow harrow it down . when I use tillage I regret all those worms I disturb and kill .I do not see the worms I use to have since I started using a small amt of Roundup and commercial fertilizer but it could be other factors too .
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Re: When to till WINTER RYE?
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04/08/21 03:16 PM
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When the seed begins to milk, crimp it. No need for an herbicide. Just roll/crimp it and plant into it.
"Don't go around saying the world owes you a living; the world owes you nothing; it was here first. " --Mark Twain.
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Re: When to till WINTER RYE?
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04/09/21 06:59 AM
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Re: When to till WINTER RYE?
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04/09/21 10:34 AM
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Kill the rye at 8-12" height depending on your garden water requirements. Rolling/crimping is one way to kill it. Glyphosate would be a better choice and improve the garden soil to boot. Tilling negates most of the benefits of a rye cover crop. If in doubt try half tilled against half killed with a herbicide or rolled for 3 years and then make a comparison. Not to beleaguer the phrase but " Follow the Science" and it points to a lot healthier soil structure when you forgo the tillage. I have no-tilled my 2 acre garden for almost 15 years and raise the common homeowner crops ( potatoes, tomatoes, peppers, sweet corn - Indian corn - broom corn, pumpkins-squash, onions, green beans and recently snow peas). Have used oats, rye, clovers and buckwheat with good success. Stick mostly with clover now for its ability to fix N and smother weeds but still use rye when the need arises............. the mike Since numerous studies have linked glyphosate to being a probable carcinogen why would you put poison on ground from which you will be eating? Having grown rye many times as a green manure here is the thing: If you let it produce the maximum amount of biomass it can be over 6' tall just as seed heads are being produced in late spring and this will return the maximum amount of good organic material to your plot. The problem is it will take a long time to break all that down and you won't be able to grow a garden for about 3-4 weeks later at the soonest. So your better option may b e to take it down before it hits max returns to the soil.
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Re: When to till WINTER RYE?
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04/09/21 10:40 AM
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I once grew a crop of tetra petkus grain rye and by late May when I tilled it down (cover crop disc) it was so tall I had to stand up on the tractor to take a bearing on a distant landmark to not get lost. It was nearly 8' tall!
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Re: When to till WINTER RYE?
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04/09/21 11:12 AM
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Since numerous studies have linked glyphosate to being a probable carcinogen why would you put poison on ground from which you will be eating? .
Glyphosate has NEVER been linked to any type of cancer. Out of thousands upon thousands of studies done, specifically to prove that it causes cancer, not one single link has ever been found. It was given the classification of "probable carcinogen" by the WHO because of their obvious agenda. The term "probably carcinogen" means there is zero proof that it's harmful, but we don't like it so we want to create a classification to scare people. Ironic that there are actually people that get sick and die from things like covid, but some here want to act like it's all pretend. Then there's something that has no indication of being unsafe yet they think its poison. BTW, sawdust is a PROVEN carcinogen. Seems odd I don't see any warnings about that... Use your head.
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Re: When to till WINTER RYE?
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04/09/21 11:44 AM
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The fact that a class action suit forced a 2 billion dollar settlement from glyphosate manufacturer Bayer is close enough to proof for me.
Plus, how convincing are studies stating it to be safe when 99% of them were either authored or funded by Bayer or Monsanto?
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Re: When to till WINTER RYE?
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04/09/21 11:17 PM
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I feel bad to have taken this thread off in a different direction, no offense, but LD 50's (lethal dose 50% mortality) tell us very little about a substances carcinogenic potential.
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Re: When to till WINTER RYE?
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Well you may have "cross threaded " but you are one heck of a farmer ! I was lucky to get a little hay as my sheep were on it too long in the spring ! I have become lazy and use it sparingly !
You can ride a fast horse slow but you can't ride a slow horse fast .
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