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Re: Christians: Question [Re: ] #7248223
04/20/21 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by J Staton
Are we to judge? I say yes, just not to condemnation. The church seems to preach judge not, lest ye be judged. From my study I only see that as half right because Jesus tells us how to judge. Am I wrong?


As a Christian you had better judge things every day in my op[inion. As was said though just do not judge another in condemnation or in a way you are not willing to be judged by. LLL


Isaiah 51:6 But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.
Re: Christians: Question [Re: ] #7248262
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I consider myself a Christian.
I don't always follow the "rules". And I know that!.
Every SINGLE one of us judges others. We may be born equal but as we grow, we ALL grow into what we have heard/seen/taught.

I have "tried" reading the book Bible a few times but could not comprehend the verbiage.
I try now to just be a good/caring fella and let God sort it out in the end.


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You have to remember that 1 out of 3 Democratic Voters is just as dumb as the other two.
Re: Christians: Question [Re: ] #7248271
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... judge not ... so you can be taken advantage of lol... and then turn the other cheek

... a lot of weak and self destructive advice in the n.t. and the o.t. doesn’t apply unless you wear a funny looking round hat on the top of your head


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Re: Christians: Question [Re: ] #7248272
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The Bible talks about righteous anger and I think it is OK to hate evil. It's also OK to judge from the point of view of differentiating good from evil, but judging in that sense is different from condemning, which we are not to do.

It is not for us to judge or condemn those who we know to be evil as they will face that someday from the one who is to judge.

Last edited by Flint Lock; 04/20/21 10:44 PM.
Re: Christians: Question [Re: ] #7248286
04/20/21 10:54 PM
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Many interesting exegetical suggestions for you here JS.

I'm not sure if you're asking about Matthew 7? That verse is not about "judge not, lest ye be judge," which is rugged exegesis that some toss about, without proper context of that Gospel Book & passage.
Remember the Book of Matthew is the recording of the Gospel about the Kingdom of God being at hand in the Person of Jesus the Christ. In that, is a principle of righteous judgement, not of men, but from God. The correct balance if Matt 6:33 - this verse sets up what comes next.

There were no grammatical markings in the Koine Greek original text, so toss out the header titles, periods, commas, and so forth, and what you have strongly suggests that in Matt 6:33 - 7:6 Jesus would have His disciples realize they must deal with our own junk in our own trunk first, (this passage isn't talking about discernment). It's straight from Deut 1:17, 10:17 & 24:17.

Blessings,
Mark

Re: Christians: Question [Re: Flint Lock] #7248291
04/20/21 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Flint Lock
The Bible talks about righteous anger and I think it is OK to hate evil. It's also OK to judge from the point of view of differentiating good from evil, but judging in that sense is different from condemning, which we are not to do.

It is not for us to judge or condemn those who we know to be evil as they will face that someday from the one who is to judge.


Nice job Flint Lock.
You're correct - righteous anger versus evil is biblical. In fact, standing aside allowing evil to prevail is absolutely against our faith.
But the darkness tosses out all sorts of catchy secular phrases. You hear them all the time;

1. Don't judge others or you'll be judged.
2. Separation of church and state is the law of the land
3. You and your God don't tell me what to do.

All these are to keep the Light which is the life of man at bay.
It doesn't prevail.

Blessings!
Mark

Re: Christians: Question [Re: Posco] #7248294
04/20/21 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Posco
The Bible tells us not to speak evil of dignitaries and I struggle mightily with that. Pelosi, Waters and AOC among others take me to my limit daily.

This is so true


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Originally Posted by 330-Trapper
Originally Posted by Posco
The Bible tells us not to speak evil of dignitaries and I struggle mightily with that. Pelosi, Waters and AOC among others take me to my limit daily.

This is so true


We just need to keep praying Matthew 6:

.... Your Kingdom come, Your will be done. On earth as it is in Heaven.

When that happens, all will be just fine.

Blessings,
Mark

Re: Christians: Question [Re: ] #7248531
04/21/21 09:53 AM
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Love the person, hate the sin


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Re: Christians: Question [Re: ] #7248563
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Romans 12:19 "...vengeance is mine.... saith the Lord"

I often want to be an instrument of God!!!


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Re: Christians: Question [Re: ] #7248779
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Avoid evil and the appearance of evil. I feel we need to judge between good and evil, even among people but that doesn't allow me to pass judgement on anyone. Mike

Re: Christians: Question [Re: ] #7248805
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Originally Posted by J Staton
Originally Posted by warrior
Discernment vs sitting in judgement.

That's how I see it too. You're Southern Baptist warrior and maybe it's peculiar to this denomination or maybe just my church. You mention judgement(or discernment) someone always blurts out Judge not , lest ye be judged.

For as you judge, so shall you be judged.


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Re: Christians: Question [Re: ] #7248824
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As Solomen judged, you should pray for wisdom, once you have wisdom (takes a life time) then you may have the ability to judge (what is judgement, but praying for GODs will: then vengence is mine saith the Lord), understanding that the Lord GOD's will is perfect: you will be judging yourself every time you judge your fellow man, every mite you measure will be measured against you. As they say be careful what you wish for. Wisdom and knowledge followed by action are all accountable. Conscience allows you to determine right from wrong, understanding that what is mans law today may not be law tomorrow, but GOD's Law is the 10 Commandments. adding a little Luke 10:27. So now you know why most of the old testament Prophets were hermits and recluse, avoiding society. They walked away from evil. So secular law and society is not GOD's Law.

So you have an issue, make a judgement, put it before GOD, give it to GODS will, he determines the punishment (GODs will). end of cycle.
You live with it, unless you take it into your own hands.

We all may have a little Cain (Cannanite) in us.

Re: Christians: Question [Re: ] #7248917
04/21/21 06:04 PM
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I was born a sinner like all. I have many faults, one of them being judgemental. God forgives a multitude of sins if you believe.
Originally Posted by Mark June
Many interesting exegetical suggestions for you here JS.

I'm not sure if you're asking about Matthew 7? That verse is not about "judge not, lest ye be judge," which is rugged exegesis that some toss about, without proper context of that Gospel Book & passage.
Remember the Book of Matthew is the recording of the Gospel about the Kingdom of God being at hand in the Person of Jesus the Christ. In that, is a principle of righteous judgement, not of men, but from God. The correct balance if Matt 6:33 - this verse sets up what comes next.

There were no grammatical markings in the Koine Greek original text, so toss out the header titles, periods, commas, and so forth, and what you have strongly suggests that in Matt 6:33 - 7:6 Jesus would have His disciples realize they must deal with our own junk in our own trunk first, (this passage isn't talking about discernment). It's straight from Deut 1:17, 10:17 & 24:17.

Blessings,
Mark

Mark, you always test my vocabulary. Thank you.
Had three things to look up in this post. Lol


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Re: Christians: Question [Re: ] #7248921
04/21/21 06:11 PM
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Mark, Matthew 7, "judging a tree by it's fruit" is what I'm referring to when it pertains to Christians judging.
Thanks to everyone for all the input.

Re: Christians: Question [Re: ] #7248932
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Thanks for the thread, J.

Re: Christians: Question [Re: ] #7248933
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As a Christian, I struggle almost daily with issues that I don't understand the workings. Luckily, we have an instruction manual to guide us.
I'm constantly knocking. I'm reminded of, give Cesar what's due to Cesar and give to God what's due to God.

Re: Christians: Question [Re: ] #7249131
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I firmly believe as a Christian we are to judge and allow ourselves to be judged by the same measure. I am a sinner saved by the grace of God. I judge everyday if I want to surround myself with certain individuals or stay away from others. I try to never condemn and walk humbly before the Lord. We are to love each other enough and point all people to Gods word. God will reveal truth to people if we point them to God. As a Christian, we should be prepared to be judged. We all will stand and be judged - are you ready?

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Speaking of judgement, who is knowledgeable on the subject of the Bema seat?

Re: Christians: Question [Re: ] #7249148
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It is where we will actually get our rewards. The many or few crowns. It is said that your works on earth play out here. I know it is a three staged platform like the Olympics from what I have read where Christ will give out the Crowns. It is not where we will be judged. That will happen earlier. LLL


Isaiah 51:6 But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.
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