Constitutional Law Question
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Some of the other threads on here have had me thinking (or re-thinking) about something but I didn't want to hijack soooo......
Reciprocity. My NH driver's license is valid in all 50 states. My marriage is valid in all 50 states. Gay marriage was required to be recognized by all 50 before it became legal in those same states. In other words if you have a license in one state all states are REQUIRED to recognize it though it might conflict with their laws.
MA made gay marriage legal and, even though you couldn't marry outside of MA, all states recognized it as valid. This is not a gay marriage thread, just illustrating my point.
Why are carry permits/licenses not valid in all 50? What is the legal reason one thing is legal but not another? Isn't reciprocity guaranteed by the Constitution? I'm not trying to grouse about it, I genuinely want to know the reason.
Anyone know?
“Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.”
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Re: Constitutional Law Question
[Re: zallen]
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I don't know other than the Constitution is just ignored especially when pertaining to the 2nd amendment.
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Re: Constitutional Law Question
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Shall not be infringed is not lawyer speak. It means what it says. You dont need permission in any state. Those crooked black dress wearing judges dont really care. More power is their mantra.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Constitutional Law Question
[Re: zallen]
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The whole permitting process is unconstitutional. There shouldn't be reciprocity for carry permits. There should be no carry permits. What other constitutionally enumerated right is permitted?
I don't need a permit to vote. If the other side gets their way, I won't even need to identify myself to vote. I don't need a permit to type my opinion here, yet. I don't need a permit to keep the government from searching my house without a warrant.
Maybe all of that is coming too.
But, why are some states (mine) violating the constitution? Because we haven't taken back our rights...which is why the founders added the 2nd amendment to begin with - to make sure there was never a time when the government could violate our God given rights. But we failed to act.
Last edited by maintenanceguy; 07/22/21 04:47 PM.
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Re: Constitutional Law Question
[Re: zallen]
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Do your states laws supercede federal law or does federal law supercede state law?
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Re: Constitutional Law Question
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07/22/21 08:43 AM
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States generally have to right to be more restrictive and may supersede Fed law.
"Humans are the hardest people to get along with." Dr. Phillip Snow
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Re: Constitutional Law Question
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07/22/21 09:38 AM
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Just another excuse to charge people fees to get a permit other places it’s a way to make it impossible to get a permit unless your rich or a crook.
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Re: Constitutional Law Question
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Zallen, ACB said that the 2A has been treated like a 2nd class right. It is but one of the reasons we need to drain the swamp and take OUR country back
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Re: Constitutional Law Question
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07/22/21 11:36 AM
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States generally have to right to be more restrictive and may supersede Fed law. They don't have the right to suspend the constitution though with is what is happening more and more edit: To the original question: The answer to that you will not find in the constitution but in politics.
Last edited by Scuba1; 07/22/21 11:38 AM.
Let's go Brandon
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Re: Constitutional Law Question
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Just throwing this out there, but your NH fishing license is going to work well in Maine either...
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Re: Constitutional Law Question
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Just throwing this out there, but your NH fishing license is going to work well in Maine either... While that could be construed as a fair comparison, the right to fish isn't enamored in the constitution of the US. Fishing is a privilege.
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Re: Constitutional Law Question
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States generally have to right to be more restrictive and may supersede Fed law. They don't have the right to suspend the constitution though with is what is happening more and more edit: To the original question: The answer to that you will not find in the constitution but in politics. I didn't say the right to "suspend" anything. However, States can and do sometimes modify the Constitution as they "deem necessary" to their individual needs.
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Re: Constitutional Law Question
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Most common sense states do recognize one another's CC permit. It would be best to stay away from the states that don't reciprocate, but I understand some folks are trapped in places they'd rather not be. With that being said, nobody should be required to have a permit to keep and bear arms.
Life ain't supposed to be easy.
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Re: Constitutional Law Question
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07/22/21 12:49 PM
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I didn't say the right to "suspend" anything. However, States can and do sometimes modify the Constitution as they "deem necessary" to their individual needs.
Seal not be infringed is pretty clear cut to me. So when you infringe it , that effectively suspends that right in my book. The text is pretty clear on that as written back then. It does not leave any wiggle room for modification.
Let's go Brandon
"Shall not comply" with morons who don't understand "shall not infringe."
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Re: Constitutional Law Question
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Different requirements in different States just another way to make it harder to get and again another way to tax you. Here in SD you walk in and pay $10 to get one it might of gone up, you can get a enhanced one also to appease other States. Now you don’t even need a permit in our state.
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Re: Constitutional Law Question
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I didn't say the right to "suspend" anything. However, States can and do sometimes modify the Constitution as they "deem necessary" to their individual needs.
Seal not be infringed is pretty clear cut to me. So when you infringe it , that effectively suspends that right in my book. The text is pretty clear on that as written back then. It does not leave any wiggle room for modification. What may be "clear cut" to many may not be to others. It's all subjective interpretation to the reader and their understanding of the subject.
"Humans are the hardest people to get along with." Dr. Phillip Snow
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Re: Constitutional Law Question
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SJA You would spend some time face in the dirt butt up in the air waiting for the cops to arrive while contemplating what those "no trespassing " sings mean I have around my property I am sure. If you live that is. Are you related to James by any chance ??
Let's go Brandon
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Re: Constitutional Law Question
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Well Scubi, you're getting a little ridiculous now. Have a nice day :-)
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Re: Constitutional Law Question
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Some of the other threads on here have had me thinking (or re-thinking) about something but I didn't want to hijack soooo......
Reciprocity. My NH driver's license is valid in all 50 states. My marriage is valid in all 50 states. Gay marriage was required to be recognized by all 50 before it became legal in those same states. In other words if you have a license in one state all states are REQUIRED to recognize it though it might conflict with their laws.
MA made gay marriage legal and, even though you couldn't marry outside of MA, all states recognized it as valid. This is not a gay marriage thread, just illustrating my point.
Why are carry permits/licenses not valid in all 50? What is the legal reason one thing is legal but not another? Isn't reciprocity guaranteed by the Constitution? I'm not trying to grouse about it, I genuinely want to know the reason.
Anyone know? Darn fine analogy and argument
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