Re: Driving tax
[Re: James]
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08/05/21 04:06 AM
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In Japan, they pay people to have kids.
Jim Because they've made things so expensive there people are deciding not to have kids. Because they are so racist/xenophobic they are starting to run out of labor and consumers.
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Re: Driving tax
[Re: Bob]
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08/05/21 04:39 AM
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They might as well just simplify the whole system and tax us 85% on our income. The net result would be the same Hit the nail on the head
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Re: Driving tax
[Re: charles]
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08/05/21 06:17 AM
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I drive 10k per year. Wife about them same. Road tax is very fair, You use it, you pay it. Like alcohol and tobacco taxes, or toll bridges. How about a natural resource tax? Beyond your trapping license, a per trap tax. A per fish tax, antler point tax.....Where do you think taxes should stop? Or what do you think should be taxed even more?
you're only allowed so many sunrises... I aim to see every one of them!
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Re: Driving tax
[Re: James]
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08/05/21 06:54 AM
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In Japan, they pay people to have kids.
Jim Isn't a generous tax credit the same incentive? The child tax credit in the US is more than Japan "pays" people to have kids.
"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
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Re: Driving tax
[Re: charles]
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08/05/21 07:18 AM
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I drive 10k per year. Wife about them same. Road tax is very fair, You use it, you pay it. Like alcohol and tobacco taxes, or toll bridges. If I send my kids to private school, should I be exempt on paying taxes for the public schools?
No Jab.
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Re: Driving tax
[Re: Sprung & Rusty]
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08/05/21 07:27 AM
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I drive 10k per year. Wife about them same. Road tax is very fair, You use it, you pay it. Like alcohol and tobacco taxes, or toll bridges. If I send my kids to private school, should I be exempt on paying taxes for the public schools? We homeschool and get no incentive or tax break. So I cover the cost 100% for my kids and pay for the brain washing/socialist indoctrination the public school kids are getting. That's almost as bad as paying for abortions through taxes to me.
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Re: Driving tax
[Re: Drifter]
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08/05/21 07:29 AM
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As a nation, the powers that be don't even wrangle over money spending anymore. It's only how much much much much more. And when this happens, innovative taxation is the result.
Charles, you want to suggest trappers who use vehicles to trap should pay more than the gas taxes they already pay when they drive "more" miles to trap? How about trapping vendors who drive thousands of miles to conventions? Or fur buyers who drive countless miles to buy fur? On and on. Want to kill something? Tax it.
Trapping can hardly take more monetary pressure. Kill off the dealers. Kill off the buyers. Oh wait, already happening.
Very very very myopic vision Charles. There's more to this world than your kitchen table.
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Re: Driving tax
[Re: Drifter]
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08/05/21 08:33 AM
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The government’s of this country all waste incredible amounts of money. They dont need more
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Driving tax
[Re: Drifter]
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08/05/21 08:39 AM
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No matter how much they tax us all they ever want is more and will keep finding ways to tax us more at every turn.
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
Jerry Herbst
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Re: Driving tax
[Re: Drifter]
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08/05/21 09:27 AM
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Wheel tax, gas tax, vehicle sales tax, plates and stickers, luxury tax in places, tire tax, wheel tax, tickets where will it end? Here they replace the rest area building with new ones just to use up the tax funds well made brick buildings replaced by another well made brick building millions wasted a poor use of tax dollars.
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
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Re: Driving tax
[Re: Drifter]
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08/05/21 09:47 AM
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What bugs me is its the big haul trucks that wreck the roads(they ignore the half load restrictions in spring too) but the taxpayer subsidizes the maintenance of said roads.(and they still all full of potholes). Their competition-the railroads have to maintain their own road-so it is an uneven playing field with a huge advantage of public money going to one and not the other.
They need to make the users pay their fair share whoever they are.Taxpayer cant keep subsidizing certain private buisness.
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Re: Driving tax
[Re: James]
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08/05/21 09:55 AM
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In Japan, they pay people to have kids.
Jim We do here in the USA too, it's called welfare.
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Re: Driving tax
[Re: Drifter]
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08/05/21 10:45 AM
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When all else fails they throw in “it will go for education” you know it’s for the kids then only a small portion goes to that just a ploy to tax a guy more.
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
Jerry Herbst
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Re: Driving tax
[Re: Drifter]
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08/05/21 10:55 AM
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Charles, The point about everybody here is making is that we are already overtaxed, they waste the tax money they get now instead of spending it where it is supposed to go, and you blithely want to add more taxes on top of it.
Gas taxes, one reason gas prices are so high, are already supposed to pay for road maintenance. Ever buy off-road diesel for use in equipment? Notice how much cheaper it is than green diesel? That is all tax money that is supposed to go to paying for roads (hint: many gas stations make more profit on off-road diesel than they do on green, because they add an extra nickel or dime per gallon to their cost and difference between it and green diesel is still significant, so buyers don't complain).
Now electric vehicles don't pay gas taxes. They are also all smaller vehicles that don't cause the damage to roads that a 18 wheeler does. And government has been pushing for electric vehicles, they are subsidizing them, so assessing a road tax at the same time would be stupid (so I'm surprised government isn't already doing it). The cost of batteries for electric vehicles is already ridiculously high, but if they really wanted a "use tax" to just cover electric vehicles they could add a tax to the batteries. But they are having trouble convincing people to buy electric now, even with all the subsidies and government incentives, adding significant fees (and they would be significant, since batteries are only replaced every few years) on top of that before they have convinced a majority of people to buy electric would shoot themselves in the foot. They want more money period, and double dipping off gas vehicle users is one way to get it.
The other point is, the Big Brother aspect of it, where government wants to keep tabs on you, all the time.
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Re: Driving tax
[Re: Drifter]
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08/05/21 10:55 AM
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If they are truly looking at this as some environmental issue, why are they lumping all passenger vehicles in one group? It seems a 4-cylinder might have less of an environmental impact over an 8-cylinder car...Why no distinction or incentive to have some move toward a higher fuel mileage car??
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Re: Driving tax
[Re: Law Dog]
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08/05/21 10:57 AM
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When all else fails they throw in “it will go for education” you know it’s for the kids then only a small portion goes to that just a ploy to tax a guy more. In which case I automatically want it shot down. I think education is the parents responsibility, I shouldn't have to pay for your kids education.
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