Re: Don't tell me we are not to trap
[Re: ToFat]
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08/15/21 08:30 AM
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Buck (Zandra)
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Trapping and hunting are rights,not privilages.Funny how many sportsmen have bought into the notion the only rights we have are the ones granted to us thru government
Buck(formely known as Zandra)
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Re: Don't tell me we are not to trap
[Re: ToFat]
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08/15/21 08:35 AM
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danny clifton
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My kids and now my grandkids know where food comes from. Plants and animals both.
Some states recognize hunting fishing and trapping as rights. Kansas is one of them.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Don't tell me we are not to trap
[Re: ToFat]
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08/15/21 10:01 AM
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maintenanceguy
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EVERYTHING was a right before some government took it away.
-Ryan
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Re: Don't tell me we are not to trap
[Re: ToFat]
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08/15/21 10:44 AM
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Foxpaw
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Déjà vu all over again as Yogi would say. https://trapperman.com/forum/ubbthr.../need-input-about-a-biblical-observationTammuz was the son and sometimes husband of the Babylonian goddess Ishtar. Tammuz was a type of fore runner of Baal. Tammuz dies one fall as the earth turns brown. Ishtar does a seven step striptease to get the seven portals of the under world to open to retrieve Tammuz, and does so when the earth is come to life again and spring springs forth with new life and everything is green. Thats where fertility comes from. The story of Gilgamesh tells alot about Ishtar and her pet the Bull of Heaven. Also possibly the earliest literature centuries ahead of Homer. They even have the earliest anti-trappers. Enkidu would throw the trappers traps and release their catch. Enkidu was part animal and the people get Shamhat, the temple-prostitute to tame Enkidu and to get him to fight Gilgamesh so as to give the people some slack from his abuse. Enkidu and Gilgamesh become friends and when Ishtar has her eye on Gilgamesh and he resists her advances then war breaks out and she sicks her Bull on them and Enkidu slings him into the Heavens thus "Taurus the Bull". The cult of Ishtar was in California and the East coast too. So probably the mid America is not unscathed as well. Ishtar is known as the "Queen of Heaven" and the "goddess of war and sexual love". In biblical days the women would bake cakes to queen of heaven . Molech was another type which they sacrificed their children to, fits right into abortion and a lot less screaming to prick the consciences. Thats some of the beginning of cults. There is much more but that is just some off the top of my head, I've forgot more than I told I'm sure, lol.
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Re: Don't tell me we are not to trap
[Re: ToFat]
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08/15/21 11:02 AM
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From the Bible. Gen 3:21 the Lord God make coats of skins. Gen 9:3 every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you even as the green herb. Exodus 35:7 and ram skins dyed red and badger skins. Acts 10:43 with Simon the tanner. Acts 10:12-13 all manner of four footed beasts, kill and eat. So if it is what God wants it is good enough for me. I am going to hunt, fish, trap no matter what. Our children should be taught from the youngest age the words of the Bible and where their food comes from. great post!
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Re: Don't tell me we are not to trap
[Re: ToFat]
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08/15/21 11:50 AM
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Genesis 3:21 is a passage I always remember. Thanks for sharing
NYSTA, NTA, FTA, life member Erie county trappers assn.,life member Catt.county trappers
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Re: Don't tell me we are not to trap
[Re: ToFat]
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08/15/21 12:24 PM
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Chuckles84
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One has to be carefull when referencing verses of scripture in that it is viewed within the context of the entire passage it is contained in. While I am an avid hunter, trapper, and fisherman, Acts 10:12-13 when is viewed in the context of the passage it is not a pro trapping/hunting passage.
The verses are only part of a dream/vision from God that Peter had. It was preparing Peter for the what was going to happen. At this time the Word of God had not been taken to the Gentiles, and the Jews viewed the Gentiles as an unclean people. The Lord taught Peter through the dream not to call anything unclean or common that God has made clean.
This was to prepare Peter for the arrival of the men sent by Cornelius to ask Peter to come to his house. Cornelius was a Gentile whom the Jews viewed as unclean and did not mingle with. So God was teaching Peter that even though the Jews saw the Gentiles as unclean the Lord did not and His word was to be taken to the Jews as well as the Gentiles.
Remember to always view the meaning of the verse by examining the context of the entire passage.
Last edited by Chuckles84; 08/15/21 12:24 PM.
Your entitled to oxygen. Everything else is earned.
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Re: Don't tell me we are not to trap
[Re: ToFat]
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08/15/21 01:38 PM
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James
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Sorry, guys. Hunting and trapping are not rights granted by the US Constitution. Some states do grant those rights, but if you live in one of the other states, you've only got privileges.
What your Bible says isn't relevant in determining rights under a secular government.
Jim
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Re: Don't tell me we are not to trap
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08/15/21 03:04 PM
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Foxpaw
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One has to be carefull when referencing verses of scripture in that it is viewed within the context of the entire passage it is contained in. While I am an avid hunter, trapper, and fisherman, Acts 10:12-13 when is viewed in the context of the passage it is not a pro trapping/hunting passage.
The verses are only part of a dream/vision from God that Peter had. It was preparing Peter for the what was going to happen. At this time the Word of God had not been taken to the Gentiles, and the Jews viewed the Gentiles as an unclean people. The Lord taught Peter through the dream not to call anything unclean or common that God has made clean.
This was to prepare Peter for the arrival of the men sent by Cornelius to ask Peter to come to his house. Cornelius was a Gentile whom the Jews viewed as unclean and did not mingle with. So God was teaching Peter that even though the Jews saw the Gentiles as unclean the Lord did not and His word was to be taken to the Jews as well as the Gentiles.
Remember to always view the meaning of the verse by examining the context of the entire passage. I don't see how Acts 10 wouldn't be relevant to hunting or trapping. It was part of living, part of culture. It also showed that while everyone needed and used the leather product, the tanner was off limit to society. They were put off into lonely spots often by the sea shore (not for water because it was salty) but for the clean breeze to blow the stench away. It wasn't a dream that Peter went to the tanners house, it was for an on hands demonstration of the meaning of one sector thinking they was above everyone else. As far as hunting , trapping or fishing. They are just a beginning of rights to be stripped from the people. The real target of no rights is 1 Sam 13:19 Now there was no smith found throughout all the land of Israel: for the Philistines said, Lest the Hebrews make them swords or spears. Acts 10 opens with God speaking to Cornelius, a "devout and God-fearing" Roman centurion. In a vision, God told Cornelius to send for a Jew named Simon Peter. He said Peter could be found in Joppa at the house of Simon the tanner.
Last edited by Foxpaw; 08/15/21 03:09 PM.
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