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Re: Ever think term limits [Re: Finster] #7345908
09/02/21 09:56 AM
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Finster, I know there were the heads of some agencies he could have replaced when they would drag their feet implementing his policies. Those new department heads could in turn replace people that were obstructing what the boss wanted. Remove people as far down the ladder as needed, down to the receptionist if warranted and have the department head hire people that will implement the policies the President wants.

I think Trump badly under estimated the people in a position to affect his ability to change the policies and replace them with peoples that had the same goals as the President.

Re: Ever think term limits [Re: Finster] #7345921
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We aren't going to get term limits on congress or senators , but it needs to be a decision by the people to be done with some of these Politian's who say much do nothing and the district suffers.

unfortunately most people are just not that involved

we have had difficulty even finding people for town council

people are busy making a living and living , 10 hours a month in meetings , well who wouldn't rather 10 hours of fishing a month


America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
Re: Ever think term limits [Re: Finster] #7345929
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No way other than state convention. Swamp is to deep been in to long.
Even the suggestion makes congress upset not mention all the others
On the take!
Our country has to be the worst apathetic one on the planet with its population
Thinking singular instead as a whole, nothing is voted on for or about the future
Just for the current term !!!


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Re: Ever think term limits [Re: K52] #7345935
09/02/21 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by K52
Finster, I know there were the heads of some agencies he could have replaced when they would drag their feet implementing his policies. Those new department heads could in turn replace people that were obstructing what the boss wanted. Remove people as far down the ladder as needed, down to the receptionist if warranted and have the department head hire people that will implement the policies the President wants.

I think Trump badly under estimated the people in a position to affect his ability to change the policies and replace them with peoples that had the same goals as the President.

I agree he could have replaced more people. However, he replaced a lot. Still not seeing how this has anything to do with term limits? Far as I'm concerned, we need to get rid of career politicians. It does nothing but breed corruption. The founding fathers missed this one. I suspect because they never saw the positions as overly powerful because of the sheer numbers. Back in the day, being in congress was almost like jury duty. I don't think they figured people would stay for 40 or 50 years.


I BELIEVE IN MY GOD, MY COUNTRY AND IN MYSELF.
Re: Ever think term limits [Re: Finster] #7346062
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I'm afraid the only way to get rid of all the career politicians is at the end of a gun. They will never leave by their own accord, they have a gravy train with biscuit wheels, they end up with a lot more money than they went in with. Wonder why? Besides the money they also have power, that's a heady combination to walk away from willingly.

Re: Ever think term limits [Re: Finster] #7346142
09/02/21 03:56 PM
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Tough call we would all like to see term limits but what would the down sides be of it, that might be something to consider. I have seen State representatives support the voters wishes then go rogue when they no longer planned to run again. Seen the same with Governors the same thing they do good the first term then it’s all about their own legacy the last term.

Checks and balances need to be in place to benefit all concerned or corruption will still be in place maybe.


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

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Re: Ever think term limits [Re: Finster] #7346156
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Look around you...woke is all over the place! Some of these "old dogs" need to stay in, but I agree something should change, just not sure what it is.


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Re: Ever think term limits [Re: Law Dog] #7346159
09/02/21 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Law Dog
Tough call we would all like to see term limits but what would the down sides be of it, that might be something to consider. I have seen State representatives support the voters wishes then go rogue when they no longer planned to run again. Seen the same with Governors the same thing they do good the first term then it’s all about their own legacy the last term.

Checks and balances need to be in place to benefit all concerned or corruption will still be in place maybe.

I think that there would be many more pros than cons. It would be a lot harder for corruption to settle with someone that can only be there 4 years rather than 40. Also, in my mind, it would be much easier for people not to go rogue since the platform they ran on would be the one they more than likely stick to rather than changing their mind throughout the decades. Obviously, it can all still happen, I just believe there would be much less of it. With limited time, a lot fewer shady backroom deals would be made since really knowing the other people (for decades) would also be a pro.


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Re: Ever think term limits [Re: Finster] #7346167
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If I were shady, I'd be more apt to "go rogue" what's to lose? Not reelection...get mine while I'm there, just sayin.


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Re: Ever think term limits [Re: Finster] #7346170
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The lobbyist will there day 1 trying to seal a 4 year deal will be a issue.


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Re: Ever think term limits [Re: ] #7346249
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The federal congress would have a very different look or operational aspect to it as now the committee chairs are based on seniority and thus long serving reps have a lot of power. I don't know if that would be worse or better. The likelihood of have professionals with other than legal careers or backgrounds may increase as they could run for x number of terms to try and impact certain policies and then move on. The executive branch operates on 4 year cycles with a 2 term max. I am good with that. One would think that long serving senators and reps would be able to enact considerable legislation but they seem to use their seniority to mainly block hinder as there is not much or any real decisions made by debating the extremes to find workable solutions.

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Re: Ever think term limits [Re: Finster] #7346271
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I have long been a proponent of term limits, but I do believe Yes Sir is on to something. The deeply entrenched career bureaucrats in these Federal agencies may be even worse and more dangerous than the career politicians. Look at how the FBI, DOJ, IRS etc. worked against Trump. All things considered he got alot of good things done, but imagine if he'd had some cooperation along the way.

Re: Ever think term limits [Re: Yukon John] #7346338
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Originally Posted by Yukon John
Look around you...woke is all over the place! Some of these "old dogs" need to stay in, but I agree something should change, just not sure what it is.

Name one old dog that has not been bought and paid for. Just because they have the correct letter after their name, or support the correct causes today does not make any difference. EVERY ONE OF THEM IS CORRUPT. Time to change the system.

Re: Ever think term limits [Re: Finster] #7346347
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If you want to drain the swamp, repeal the federal income tax. Maybe that should be on the docket of a Convention of States.

Re: Ever think term limits [Re: H2ORat] #7346363
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Originally Posted by H2ORat
Originally Posted by Yukon John
Look around you...woke is all over the place! Some of these "old dogs" need to stay in, but I agree something should change, just not sure what it is.

Name one old dog that has not been bought and paid for. Just because they have the correct letter after their name, or support the correct causes today does not make any difference. EVERY ONE OF THEM IS CORRUPT. Time to change the system.


What constitutes an old dog?

10 years?

If so... I have a name for you.


~~Proud Ultra MAGA~~
Re: Ever think term limits [Re: Finster] #7346373
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Use to think your Pat Robert's was pretty honest until he went "to work" for a lobbiest group after retirement that represents large companies like Walmart and a few others. I suspect it was just to collect the rest of his "pension " he had earned working....... I mean representing them... i mean us.. Also looked at his net worth for the last 10 years and it looked questionable to a dum cowboy

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Will say from what I've seen and know Pence looked like a straight shotter

Re: Ever think term limits [Re: Finster] #7346378
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biggest budget in the world and as corrupt as is possible......it ain't gonna get better any time soon, quit dreamin and face reality.


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Re: Ever think term limits [Re: Finster] #7346386
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Originally Posted by Finster
Originally Posted by Law Dog
Tough call we would all like to see term limits but what would the down sides be of it, that might be something to consider. I have seen State representatives support the voters wishes then go rogue when they no longer planned to run again. Seen the same with Governors the same thing they do good the first term then it’s all about their own legacy the last term.

Checks and balances need to be in place to benefit all concerned or corruption will still be in place maybe.

I think that there would be many more pros than cons. It would be a lot harder for corruption to settle with someone that can only be there 4 years rather than 40. Also, in my mind, it would be much easier for people not to go rogue since the platform they ran on would be the one they more than likely stick to rather than changing their mind throughout the decades. Obviously, it can all still happen, I just believe there would be much less of it. With limited time, a lot fewer shady backroom deals would be made since really knowing the other people (for decades) would also be a pro.


As long as politicians can pick winners and losers there will be corruption. There would be a lot less corruption if the government actually had to pay for the programs they create. A sound money system would put alot of things in check


"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
Re: Ever think term limits [Re: Finster] #7346459
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Yote --- i'd like to hear it -- and show me the lack of a money trail. All of our "reps" have a modest salary ------- Where does the rest come from? I know they aren't good with money by just looking at their "programs". I would love to think that there was even one "honest" politician in the lot of the hundreds -- it would give me some hope.

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