I'm to old for this crap. My what was I thinking child of my old age is one of those gals that can't just take no for an answer and has to argue it out for an hour.

Here's the deal. One of of her little friends has a mama that rings all the red flag alarms and I won't allow my daughter to stay the night there. The little friend is welcome here but I just don't know that the mama ain't all there and has a questionable means of support.

I always prided myself on honesty and not sugar coating it while remaining respectful but this thirteen year old child is pushing the limits.

Maybe dad had it right where no was no and the next question earned you a knock upside the head. But I've never raised a hand to my girls, belt yes but not hands. But dad raised boys.

Iv got three daughters myself. Can't help you any but I feel your pain

I believe when you find the answer you could be a billionaire.

The older two didn't argue this much but I suspect they ran cover for each other. LOL But they are grown and their husband's problem now.

Kids get a bit rebellious at that age,some more than others.
Explain the rules and stick to them,if you raise them right they turn out to be responsible adults regardless of the teen angst.Its the solid foundation for them to fall back on.
Maybe get the older siblings to be a sounding board, approached in a tactful manner, for the 13 year old.

Children will always attempt to get away with what YOU ALLOW them to. Ask your self a question: "Would I take that crap from an adult?" . . . if the answer is NO, then why would you take it from a child?

Why did u respect your dad? Because he made you respect him. Enough said.

Me and my brothers were whipped so hard it made us pee our pants. If we cried, we got beat some more. I hated my Dad for a long time. Now that I am older and have a family of my own; I can kind of see the frustration.

Looking back, I'm glad he did it because it made me who I am. Always love your children first; but discipline is absolutely necessary. They may hate you in the short run, but they will be thankful in the longrun.

High structure with high love is the most apt to lead to healthy, emotionally stable adults.
High structure with low love is authoritarian and not as apt to turn out well adjusted kids.
Low structure with high love turns out about the same as authoritarian according to psychologists.
There's much research in this area.
If you aiming for the best chance all will end healthy.

I will say as one in the field of emotional and spiritual support, there is boundless job security because people bring their _______ and dump their _______ on the next generation. Repeat.

Blessings,
Mark

Stand your ground
Be firm
When they want to argue, just walk away, ignore them.
I raised two girls and a boy
They are fine Christian, conservative adults, and the girls have thanked me for the way I raised them.
My son never gave me any problems