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Re: Bank account reporting [Re: Yooper1978] #7349752
09/07/21 12:53 PM
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Seems to me there is a good chance of a law like this butting heads with the "unreasonable searches" of the fourth amendment an maybe the free speech clause of the first amendment.

If 'money' is property........( I believe it is, since it is used in definitions of "property crimes" ) ...............and if SCOTUS has said money equals speech............which they have......then it seems to me that the federal government can control or at least influence your speech by threats against your property ( money)


The 4th amendment requires warrants and probable cause to 'search'. It seems to me that Biden wants congress to provide a blanket search warrant by statute for federal use in all instances at all times.........without showing probable cause in EACH instance.


Blaine/James ??????


Mean As Nails
Re: Bank account reporting [Re: Yooper1978] #7349788
09/07/21 02:26 PM
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The Dems have never met an amendment they didn't want to violate.

Re: Bank account reporting [Re: LLtrapper] #7349807
09/07/21 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by LLtrapper
Originally Posted by Boco
They both rip off the honest man(the taxpayer).The honest mans taxes are raised to cover the cheaters at both ends.Both have their hands in the honest mans pocket-identical scum.


I am sure you pay taxes on every dime you bring in don't you Bozo? Every hat or pair of mittens you trade or barter? What a joke. LLL

Every single cent.
BUT-I also minimize my tax liability with generous charitable donations every year.

Last edited by Boco; 09/07/21 03:20 PM.

Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: Bank account reporting [Re: Boco] #7349812
09/07/21 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
Tax cheats are identical to welfare scammers.



Taxation is theft. Pure and simple. The only reason I pay every thing I owe is because I don't want to be put in a cage.

Re: Bank account reporting [Re: DecoyMacoy] #7349834
09/07/21 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DecoyMacoy
Originally Posted by Boco
Tax cheats are identical to welfare scammers.



Taxation is theft. Pure and simple. The only reason I pay every thing I owe is because I don't want to be put in a cage.


Hogwash.Taxes are what the people pay to keep government running.No one is going to represent you for free.Lots of people today think they should get everything for free-thats the problem.


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: Bank account reporting [Re: Boco] #7349837
09/07/21 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco


Hogwash.Taxes are what the people pay to keep government running.No one is going to represent you for free.Lots of people today think they should get everything for free-thats the problem.



I would voluntarily pay for many of the services the State provides but many I would not.

Re: Bank account reporting [Re: Yooper1978] #7349839
09/07/21 04:39 PM
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Lot's of people think they can provide for themselves.


"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
Re: Bank account reporting [Re: Yooper1978] #7349843
09/07/21 04:44 PM
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I think the feds just want the info for a "Citizens Surcharge" to pay for all the Covid give away's.


Every kid needs a Dog and a Curmudgeon.

Remember Bowe Bergdahl, the traitor.

Beware! Jill Pudlewski, Ron Oates and Keven Begesse are liars and thiefs!
Re: Bank account reporting [Re: Yooper1978] #7349847
09/07/21 04:48 PM
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Your being tracked already just sign up for Social Security and you will be shocked at the questions they will be asking you then, person info they have on file I’m not sure for what reason they need it.


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

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Re: Bank account reporting [Re: DecoyMacoy] #7349852
09/07/21 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by DecoyMacoy
Originally Posted by Boco


Hogwash.Taxes are what the people pay to keep government running.No one is going to represent you for free.Lots of people today think they should get everything for free-thats the problem.



I would voluntarily pay for many of the services the State provides but many I would not.



No you wouldnt-you already said the only reason you pay your debts(what you owe) is because you are scared to go to jail.


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: Bank account reporting [Re: Steven 49er] #7349853
09/07/21 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Lot's of people think they can provide for themselves.


I didn't see anyone in this thread claiming they could

Re: Bank account reporting [Re: Yooper1978] #7349854
09/07/21 04:59 PM
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Taxation is necessary to make the senators and representatives and friends millionaires.


Life ain't supposed to be easy.
Re: Bank account reporting [Re: DecoyMacoy] #7349856
09/07/21 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by DecoyMacoy
Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Lot's of people think they can provide for themselves.


I didn't see anyone in this thread claiming they could


My remark was targeted to Boco, you happened to post before I did.

Government overreach is why I gravitate to crypto and PMs.


"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
Re: Bank account reporting [Re: Gary Benson] #7349857
09/07/21 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Gary Benson
Taxation is necessary to make the senators and representatives and friends millionaires.


Fiat currency is what makes that possible.


"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
Re: Bank account reporting [Re: Yooper1978] #7349859
09/07/21 05:05 PM
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That is the dumbest proposal I've heard of yet. Irs reporting of cash inflows and outflows over $600.
We already report our income, now they have to report what folks do with their income?
Made a house payment, bought a couple guns, paid a kids youth sports fees, who cares??
Jim

Last edited by jabNE; 09/07/21 05:11 PM.

Money cannot buy you happiness, but it can buy you a trapping license and that's pretty close.
Re: Bank account reporting [Re: white17] #7349862
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Originally Posted by white17
Seems to me there is a good chance of a law like this butting heads with the "unreasonable searches" of the fourth amendment an maybe the free speech clause of the first amendment.

If 'money' is property........( I believe it is, since it is used in definitions of "property crimes" ) ...............and if SCOTUS has said money equals speech............which they have......then it seems to me that the federal government can control or at least influence your speech by threats against your property ( money)


The 4th amendment requires warrants and probable cause to 'search'. It seems to me that Biden wants congress to provide a blanket search warrant by statute for federal use in all instances at all times.........without showing probable cause in EACH instance.


Blaine/James ??????


You can sign those rights over when opening the account or updating the use agreement.

Good/interesting argument though.

Re: Bank account reporting [Re: DecoyMacoy] #7349864
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Originally Posted by DecoyMacoy
Originally Posted by Boco
Tax cheats are identical to welfare scammers.



Taxation is theft. Pure and simple. The only reason I pay every thing I owe is because I don't want to be put in a cage.

That would be extortion then....

Re: Bank account reporting [Re: jabNE] #7349865
09/07/21 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by jabNE
now they have to report what folks do with their income?
Made a house payment, bought a couple guns, paid a kids youth sports fees, who cares??
Jim


I think you answered your own question.


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Re: Bank account reporting [Re: Boco] #7349866
09/07/21 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
[quote=DecoyMacoy]

No you wouldnt-you already said the only reason you pay your debts(what you owe) is because you are scared to go to jail.


You're not following... I'm saying if the State didn't exist I would voluntarily pay for a many of the services the State currently provides. Those services would be provided by private companies/organizations.

To call taxation a "debt", as in its in some way something I signed up for, is disgusting.

Re: Bank account reporting [Re: Yooper1978] #7349872
09/07/21 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
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Every single cent.
BUT-I also minimize my tax liability with generous charitable donations every year.


We call this virtue signaling down here. It is what the liberals do. (Bad)

“Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.” – 2 Corinthians 9:7 (Good)

“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you. Mathew 6:1-4 (Good and Bad)


Isaiah 51:6 But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.
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