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Re: Is it possible to succeed from the union ? [Re: martyd] #7351768
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A state seeking to be its own country would have to take its share of the federal debt with it also.


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Originally Posted by Boco
A state seeking to be its own country would have to take its share of the federal debt with it also.

why -- they should only have to take their part of it -- cali and other liberal states could never secceed.

Re: Is it possible to succeed from the union ? [Re: martyd] #7351772
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What needs to occur is for States to implement what might best be described as a "soft secession", whereas the duly elected of a State grows a set
and asserts their State Right to govern themselves according to the Constitution.
We are seeing this going on right now in Texas where they have legalized suppressors manufactured in Texas without the Federal Tax Stamp, and Constitutional carry without any permits.
Most States buckle to the Federal Government in order to receive Federal dollars. Just say no to those dollars and run your State according to what We the People voted you in for.

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Re: Is it possible to succeed from the union ? [Re: H2ORat] #7351777
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Originally Posted by H2ORat
Originally Posted by Boco
A state seeking to be its own country would have to take its share of the federal debt with it also.

why -- they should only have to take their part of it -- cali and other liberal states could never secceed.

Except that California only receives $0.99 for every $1 they send to DC. Maybe the secede and send the feds a bill?

Re: Is it possible to succeed from the union ? [Re: martyd] #7351780
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States may have the "right" to secede, but no state would be able to make it financially and geographically with the current state of global economics.

California and Texas may have a large economy, but it only matters when we work in combination with one another. Geographically, our country is the most important in the world as far as exports/imports, and agriculture goes. We all need this together collectively to function and have a place on the world markets unfortunately.

Sure, States could secede, but in my mind we would become like Afghanistan ruled by areas of differing opinions and constantly under attack from within as certain states would need access to ports and rivers to sell their goods. We would be in a constant state of warfare with differing ideologies; just like Afghanistan and the rest of the "anistan countries........All fighting for dominance over certain geographical access.

We must remain ONE nation Under God. The problem now, is that there are 100 million ticked off Americans (I am one of them), and the other bunch of Americans are imbedded all within us and throughout our nation and are trying to destroy what I love. A purge is coming and it will be fought across this entire nation and within every town; just like in the 1860s. History is about to repeat itself. Chancey


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Re: Is it possible to succeed from the union ? [Re: martyd] #7351781
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Looks like ND receives about $5.25 back for every $1 they send to DC
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Re: Is it possible to succeed from the union ? [Re: Boco] #7351782
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Originally Posted by Boco
California has the population resources and geography to be its own country.
Not sure what other states meet the criteria.


Just call it Mexico and get it over with

Re: Is it possible to succeed from the union ? [Re: Chancey] #7351784
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Originally Posted by Chancey
States may have the "right" to secede, but no state would be able to make it financially and geographically with the current state of global economics.

California and Texas may have a large economy, but it only matters when we work in combination with one another. Geographically, our country is the most important in the world as far as exports/imports, and agriculture goes. We all need this together collectively to function and have a place on the world markets unfortunately.

Sure, States could secede, but in my mind we would become like Afghanistan ruled by areas of differing opinions and constantly under attack from within as certain states would need access to ports and rivers to sell their goods. We would be in a constant state of warfare with differing ideologies; just like Afghanistan and the rest of the "anistan countries........All fighting for dominance over certain geographical access.

We must remain ONE nation Under God. The problem now, is that there are 100 million ticked off Americans (I am one of them), and the other bunch of Americans are imbedded all within us and throughout our nation and are trying to destroy what I love. A purge is coming and it will be fought across this entire nation and within every town; just like in the 1860s. History is about to repeat itself. Chancey

Great comment

Re: Is it possible to succeed from the union ? [Re: Chancey] #7351787
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Originally Posted by Chancey
A purge is coming and it will be fought across this entire nation and within every town; just like in the 1860s. History is about to repeat itself. Chancey


How sure are you about this?


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Re: Is it possible to succeed from the union ? [Re: martyd] #7351788
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Good thoughts Chancey.

There are quite a large number of folks gonna order bumper stickers saying;

There are two things I hate; Change and the way things are

'Bout sums up Merica.

One nation under God is our only hope.
It always has been.

I'm not a legalist theology wise by any stretch but you gotta admit some weird stuffs been happening in our lifetimes as our nation's fine folk agreed to "git rid of God," and decided to let the inmates have the keys.

Blessings,
Mark

Re: Is it possible to succeed from the union ? [Re: Chancey] #7351790
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Originally Posted by Chancey
States may have the "right" to secede, but no state would be able to make it financially and geographically with the current state of global economics.

California and Texas may have a large economy, but it only matters when we work in combination with one another. Geographically, our country is the most important in the world as far as exports/imports, and agriculture goes. We all need this together collectively to function and have a place on the world markets unfortunately.

Sure, States could secede, but in my mind we would become like Afghanistan ruled by areas of differing opinions and constantly under attack from within as certain states would need access to ports and rivers to sell their goods. We would be in a constant state of warfare with differing ideologies; just like Afghanistan and the rest of the "anistan countries........All fighting for dominance over certain geographical access.

We must remain ONE nation Under God. The problem now, is that there are 100 million ticked off Americans (I am one of them), and the other bunch of Americans are imbedded all within us and throughout our nation and are trying to destroy what I love. A purge is coming and it will be fought across this entire nation and within every town; just like in the 1860s. History is about to repeat itself. Chancey



So....Europe?

Re: Is it possible to succeed from the union ? [Re: Chancey] #7351791
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Originally Posted by Chancey
States may have the "right" to secede, but no state would be able to make it financially and geographically with the current state of global economics.

California and Texas may have a large economy, but it only matters when we work in combination with one another. Geographically, our country is the most important in the world as far as exports/imports, and agriculture goes. We all need this together collectively to function and have a place on the world markets unfortunately.

Sure, States could secede, but in my mind we would become like Afghanistan ruled by areas of differing opinions and constantly under attack from within as certain states would need access to ports and rivers to sell their goods. We would be in a constant state of warfare with differing ideologies; just like Afghanistan and the rest of the "anistan countries........All fighting for dominance over certain geographical access.

We must remain ONE nation Under God. The problem now, is that there are 100 million ticked off Americans (I am one of them), and the other bunch of Americans are imbedded all within us and throughout our nation and are trying to destroy what I love. A purge is coming and it will be fought across this entire nation and within every town; just like in the 1860s. History is about to repeat itself. Chancey


I'll repeat my previous post : Anything is possible, but there aren't enough people in any State(s) that have the balls to try it AGAIN, let alone succeed


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Re: Is it possible to succeed from the union ? [Re: martyd] #7351794
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Re: Is it possible to succeed from the union ? [Re: Marty] #7351806
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Originally Posted by Marty
Originally Posted by Chancey
A purge is coming and it will be fought across this entire nation and within every town; just like in the 1860s. History is about to repeat itself. Chancey


How sure are you about this?



Marty, the writing has been on the wall for a long time in my opinion; and I am starting to feel it in my bones.

I am just sick and tired of it all. Tired of being talked down to, tired of having a way of life thrown upon me that I don't agree with, tired of being talked to like I am stupid, tired of being told I'm destroying the environment, tired of being forced to pay for taxes to fund things that don't even affect me or this country, tired of being force fed gay rights, tired of seeing it on TV and radio every day, etc., and sick and tired of being told that my beliefs are archaic. Especially got real tired today having a tyrant call me out. Chancey


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Re: Is it possible to succeed from the union ? [Re: Chancey] #7351813
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Originally Posted by Chancey


Marty, the writing has been on the wall for a long time in my opinion; and I am starting to feel it in my bones.

I am just sick and tired of it all. Tired of being talked down to, tired of having a way of life thrown upon me that I don't agree with, tired of being talked to like I am stupid, tired of being told I'm destroying the environment, tired of being forced to pay for taxes to fund things that don't even affect me or this country, tired of being force fed gay rights, tired of seeing it on TV and radio every day, etc., and sick and tired of being told that my beliefs are archaic. Especially got real tired today having a tyrant call me out. Chancey


Yup, I feel it coming also. Good luck, brother.


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Re: Is it possible to succeed from the union ? [Re: martyd] #7351821
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Not gonna happen.


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Originally Posted by SJA
Not gonna happen.


Who ever said the purge was gonna be started from the citizenry?
It may very well be started via governmental officials, but I promise you that I will not go gently into that good night!


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How come none of the 100 million rally around the statues being torn down to prevent it?

Nobody cares.


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Originally Posted by Chancey
Originally Posted by SJA
Not gonna happen.


Who ever said the purge was gonna be started from the citizenry?
It may very well be started via governmental officials, but I promise you that I will not go gently into that good night!



Chancey,
Another who felt the hatred of liberalism in his day in early 18th century Massachusetts.
America's theologian Jonathan Edwards;
Great words from the pastor who even ministered to the native people at the end of his days when the MA elites had had their fill of his preaching of the Gospel Truth;,

Resolved: that all men should live for the glory of God.
Resolved second: that whether others do or do not, I will.


- Edwards (1703-1758)

Be encouraged brother.
The remnant prevails.
Always has and always will.

Blessings,
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Seems to me they will get impatient and make the wrong move.


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