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Re: cash is still illegal [Re: wetdog] #7381119
10/17/21 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by wetdog
Boco that old written stuff as you want to call it is are Bill of Rights
Something you Canadians know nothing about
You Sir need a history lesson on your own country.

No you do.
The original bill of rights was the Magna Carta-(British origin-our ancestry here in Canada).
which our Canadian bill of rights is based on.
Tis you that is in the dark.

No need to bring Canada into it at all.Ours works fine.
Yours on the other hand does not work very well apparently because if it did over half your countrymen wouldnt be working to change it.

Last edited by Boco; 10/17/21 01:57 PM.

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Re: cash is still illegal [Re: Boco] #7381122
10/17/21 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
You need to read your own law book for the answer.
If they are cleared they will get their money back-no need to arrest them until the investigation is over if they cannot account for the large sum of suspicious cash and it turns out to be illbegotten..


What an oxymoron, or just a moron.

So these guys can shell out a hundred grand on lawyers to prove their innocence against a state with unlimited funding to break even.
But where is it written in any law of the US where one has to prove anything? On the contrary our entire legal code, save forfeiture, is predicated upon the state bearing the burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt.


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Re: cash is still illegal [Re: danny clifton] #7381128
10/17/21 02:12 PM
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I35 and I40 are serious drug corridors cash busts like this is fairly common, this is a big one though, and has been for years. Large drug busts are common too. Cash busts aren't right but have gone on for years, they used to target the Mexican population pretty hard because they used cash instead of banking. A lot of law enforcement departments use it as a source of revenue. I've wondered when they would start going after all the backpacks of cash being used to buy land for pot farms.

Some situation awareness would have been in order in this case, know where your at and what is going on an act accordingly.

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Re: cash is still illegal [Re: warrior] #7381130
10/17/21 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by warrior
Originally Posted by Boco
You need to read your own law book for the answer.
If they are cleared they will get their money back-no need to arrest them until the investigation is over if they cannot account for the large sum of suspicious cash and it turns out to be illbegotten..


What an oxymoron, or just a moron.

So these guys can shell out a hundred grand on lawyers to prove their innocence against a state with unlimited funding to break even.
But where is it written in any law of the US where one has to prove anything? On the contrary our entire legal code, save forfeiture, is predicated upon the state bearing the burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt.


Suspicious contraband seizure-upheld by your courts.
Too much money that cannot be accouted for is contraban.


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Re: cash is still illegal [Re: Boco] #7381133
10/17/21 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
You need to read your own law book for the answer.
If they are cleared they will get their money back-no need to arrest them until the investigation is over if they cannot account for the large sum of suspicious cash and it turns out to be illbegotten..

'If they are cleared, they will get get their money back"....Cleared of what? Your just doing your normal, sanctioned trolling/fishing expedition.


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Re: cash is still illegal [Re: danny clifton] #7381137
10/17/21 02:33 PM
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Now, hang on a minute!! grin

hypothetical situation!!

Suppose the Powerball or Mega Millions reached $1 Billion Dollars , and you were the only winner. AND you took the lump sum payout . Assuming you live in a State with no State Sales Tax, ; you would only have to pay the Federal Tax. That, I am guessing , would leave a person with around $360 Million Dollars. Now, a Million Dollars in $100 Bills, weighs in at 22.5 Pounds. x 360 = 8,100 Pounds. Now , let's say you don't trust banks , and you are going to move out of State. Let's use Alaska, as your final move to State. Other than filling out a bunch of paperwork at the Bank, what is to prevent someone from withdrawing ALL $360 MILLION DOLLARS from their Bank, loading it up into a big truck or trailer; and driving that truck and or trailer all the way to Alaska ? What would be so illegal about that ? And to take it further, what is to prevent someone from then buying land in their final home State, and buring all that money in their back yard ? I don't see anything illegal in doing any of that !

Re: cash is still illegal [Re: danny clifton] #7381138
10/17/21 02:36 PM
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There have been many cases where people have been so called "cleared" and they didn't get all their money back.

Re: cash is still illegal [Re: danny clifton] #7381139
10/17/21 02:36 PM
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Wrong feedinggrounds-Law enforcement is tasked with identifying and investigating large cash transactions.Money laundering and terrorist funding ML TF-can be smoked out using guidelines provided to law enforcement as described by international organizations such as FATF(financial accounting task force) as well as the Edgemont group and others.

Last edited by Boco; 10/17/21 02:38 PM.

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Re: cash is still illegal [Re: danny clifton] #7381141
10/17/21 02:46 PM
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Walks like a duck isn't a chargeable offense in the United States. You got to prove beyond a reasonable doubt its got webbed feet, bill and floats on water and not a swan.


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Re: cash is still illegal [Re: danny clifton] #7381142
10/17/21 02:49 PM
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except warrior, L.E. is still doing it


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Re: cash is still illegal [Re: danny clifton] #7381144
10/17/21 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
except warrior, L.E. is still doing it


Yup, reality vs what it is supposed to be.


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Re: cash is still illegal [Re: danny clifton] #7381148
10/17/21 02:59 PM
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And by the way-it includes WAY more than just cash,although cash confiscation is near the top of the list when dealing with suspected ML/TF.


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Re: cash is still illegal [Re: Boco] #7381159
10/17/21 03:13 PM
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Boco,do you believe in the concept of "innocent until proven guilty"? Or do you think people should be assumed guilty unless they can prove thier innocence?

After all, that's what this really all boils down to.

Re: cash is still illegal [Re: danny clifton] #7381164
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Police investigate.It will be up to the courts to decide guilt or innocence.
Police are allowed to confiscate evidence in their investigation of suspicious activity.They have nothing to worry about IF they are on the up and up.There will be a paper trail for their money if legal.
Nothing new or different here.
Maybe a little more due diligence could have thwarted 911?

Last edited by Boco; 10/17/21 03:33 PM.

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Re: cash is still illegal [Re: Boco] #7381175
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Originally Posted by Boco
Police investigate.It will be up to the courts to decide guilt or innocence.
Police are allowed to confiscate evidence in their investigation of suspicious activity.They have nothing to worry about IF they are on the up and up.There will be a paper trail for their money if legal.
Nothing new or different here.
Maybe a little more due diligence could have thwarted 911?

That's not how civil asset forfeiture works. Police aren't investigating anything. The money gets taken, and that's it. End of story. If they want it back they're presumed guilty unless proven innocent.

And police aren't allowed to confiscate anything in their investigation of "suspicious activity". Suspicious activity isn't a crime. Police ARE allowed to confiscate evidence in the process of investigating a crime. However, these guys, and most everyone who gets money stolen through civil asset forfeiture, aren't charged with any crime. The money isn't evidence in any criminal case.

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Re: cash is still illegal [Re: danny clifton] #7381177
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In America it used to be "innocent unless proven guilty". But this ain't America anymore.


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Re: cash is still illegal [Re: loosegoose] #7381182
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
Originally Posted by Boco
Police investigate.It will be up to the courts to decide guilt or innocence.
Police are allowed to confiscate evidence in their investigation of suspicious activity.They have nothing to worry about IF they are on the up and up.There will be a paper trail for their money if legal.
Nothing new or different here.
Maybe a little more due diligence could have thwarted 911?

That's not how civil asset forfeiture works. Police aren't investigating anything. The money gets taken, and that's it. End of story. If they want it back they're presumed guilty unless proven innocent.

And police aren't allowed to confiscate anything in their investigation of "suspicious activity". Suspicious activity isn't a crime. Police ARE allowed to confiscate evidence in the process of investigating a crime. However, these guys, and most everyone who gets money stolen through civil asset forfeiture, aren't charged with any crime. The money isn't evidence in any criminal case.

Boco is more of an expert on America than anybody in America. Just ask him.


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Re: cash is still illegal [Re: Boco] #7381183
10/17/21 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
Police investigate.It will be up to the courts to decide guilt or innocence.
Police are allowed to confiscate evidence in their investigation of suspicious activity.They have nothing to worry about IF they are on the up and up.There will be a paper trail for their money if legal.
Nothing new or different here.
Maybe a little more due diligence could have thwarted 911?

You're a good trapper, but you don't know the laws here. Most places are not stop and id here. You need to be stopped for a violation for them to force you to show id as well. Like said, suspicious behavior is not a crime. Many people fold under pressure and/or don't know their rights. Cops lie to get information all the time. They don't have to tell the truth.


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Re: cash is still illegal [Re: danny clifton] #7381190
10/17/21 04:49 PM
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I once sat in the passenger seat of my own truck while my employee got a speeding ticket. The entire time the officer was doing his best to intimidate me into telling him my name and offering up my ID. All I said was I'm the owner of the truck and this is my employee.

Totally needless on my part but the guy ticked me off. Took about a half an hour for him to give up and send us on.

But folks like bobo would yes sir three bags sir full if the officer asked him to bend over. That's the difference between free born Americans and British subjects.


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Re: cash is still illegal [Re: danny clifton] #7381203
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You guys are really in the dark when it comes to ML and TF enforcement.It is international and you are a signatory along with dozens of other countries.
Started with the g-7.Your law enforcement follows the international FATF.

Warrior,I think I seen you on Utube-you are one of them moronic sovereign citizens right?lol
And yes when I get pulled over by police I show them my ID,I have nothing to hide,then I tell them I am a poor old age pensioner,joke around a bit and they let me off with a warning to slow down.
But there are lots of idiots who escalate interactions with our good people in law enforcement,it ends up with removing regressive contributors to the gene pool in many cases which is a good thing.


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