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Managing people who won't work #7404961
11/14/21 06:58 PM
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Gotta ask how are you supposed to do this ? Especially when you cannot dole out any form of punishment yourself ? Like managing people who will work and want money is one thing but managing people who just come for a check and really don't care is a completely different thing.

Re: Managing people who won't work [Re: Wolfdog91] #7404963
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You fire them

Re: Managing people who won't work [Re: Wolfdog91] #7404971
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If they are part of a hardworking group it wont be long that others will get tired of pulling the weight for the slacker.
He will get kicked to the curb,metaphorically or in some cases (like a Railroad gang) physically.


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: Managing people who won't work [Re: Wolfdog91] #7404980
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If you have a boss which I assume you do why not discuss the issue with them?

Re: Managing people who won't work [Re: Wolfdog91] #7404987
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Are you functioning as a crew/shift leader? Or is a situation where you're working alongside a deadbeat coworker? If you're a frontline manager you need the support of your boss otherwise they're just setting you up for failure..


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Re: Managing people who won't work [Re: Slick Pan] #7405001
11/14/21 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Slick Pan
If you have a boss which I assume you do why not discuss the issue with them?

I do and have multiple multiple times, they know there's a problem why nothing is done past a write up is beyond me

Re: Managing people who won't work [Re: Wolfdog91] #7405005
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Human resource folks live in fear of being sued, that's why they neuter management.

Re: Managing people who won't work [Re: Wolfdog91] #7405006
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One non dealt with slacker will typically make all of the other workers around them start to working worse. They are like a rot or contagion that spreads and corrupts.

Keith

Re: Managing people who won't work [Re: Wolfdog91] #7405007
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The sad thing is that even the store manager can't fire someone where you work without corporate approval. It was a consistent problem when I worked there. One girl would go and take an hour and a half nap in the break room every morning. She was caught by shift supervisors at least a dozen times. As far as I know, she still works there.


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Re: Managing people who won't work [Re: Wolfdog91] #7405009
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There is a rule that applies to workforce productivity and management called the Pareto Rule. It essentially says that 80% of the work is accomplished by 20% of employees, and also that 80% of a manager’s time is spent managing the 20% lowest performers.

People are often the most difficult part of any job.

Re: Managing people who won't work [Re: Wolfdog91] #7405015
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Good luck. Place I work has gotten crazy, very hard to get fired. If you are the right sex/race its almost impossible. The only people who want to be group leads are new guys because every one knows you have no athority to do anything about it. Makes it very had to keep a positive outlook and any kind of work ethic. What Ive seen you just have to let it roll off you and not really worry about it beause the people that do get drove crazy and leave.

Re: Managing people who won't work [Re: Wolfdog91] #7405016
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Make it hard on the lazy ones. Try to make them quit


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Managing people who won't work [Re: Wolfdog91] #7405018
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HR have allowed employee rights to change within the last 10 years. We are in a time of enabling. The president of the USA is the biggest enabler there is. Our current work society is sick. Most good employees who where or are close to retirement have or will leave the work force soon. By 2030 the baby boomer generation will be at 65. Things are going to get very bad. All I can tel you is this. Work hard. Save your money. Work with less. The business of today. It is there problem they allowed this laziness sickness to fester. Creating a sick workforce. Work for small companies under 10 or less. Small employers can’t afford to allow this to happen. They still hold the true work environment. Work as a team

Re: Managing people who won't work [Re: Wolfdog91] #7405030
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When you going to the barges? Are you the shift lead at Lowes now?

Re: Managing people who won't work [Re: RustyShacklefrd] #7405032
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Originally Posted by RustyShacklefrd
You fire them


Yup!


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Re: Managing people who won't work [Re: Wolfdog91] #7405034
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It’s important to keep a good attitude when there is a bad apple in the group. If your coworkers are complaining about the poor performer then don’t add to the negativity. Mind your own business, work hard, keep a good attitude. Bad attitudes aren’t just bad for the group, they will wear you down too.

Remember that lots of places are looking for good hardworking employees like you right now, and are willing to pay to get you. Life is short and in the blink of an eye you’ll be much older. Don’t waste your time on people and businesses that aren’t worth it.

Re: Managing people who won't work [Re: Wolfdog91] #7405041
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If you work for me and can't or won't pull your weight, you're fired.

If your a subcontractor and can't or won't do the job right I won't have you do any more of my work.

I've had guys I fired try to collect unemployment by lying about the reason(s) for their termination. I always took it to arbitration and always won (they were denied unemployment benefits. It was a PITA but kept my UC rates low.


Eh...wot?

Re: Managing people who won't work [Re: Wolfdog91] #7405042
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I understand my situation is different than yours but that's how I handle slackers.


Eh...wot?

Re: Managing people who won't work [Re: Wolfdog91] #7405043
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The problem is if your willing to work hard they will dump extra work on you until you lose the desirer to work there. It’s easier for them to dump work on you who’s willing to do more then deal with the slackers most of the time. Sad but true.


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

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Re: Managing people who won't work [Re: KeithC] #7405062
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Originally Posted by KeithC
One non dealt with slacker will typically make all of the other workers around them start to working worse. They are like a rot or contagion that spreads and corrupts.

Keith



Yep


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