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Re: Michigan high school shootings [Re: Nittany Lion] #7419146
12/01/21 07:10 AM
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Gun Free Zones are soft targets, I am a teacher it is my greatest fear at school, no defense.

Re: Michigan high school shootings [Re: Nittany Lion] #7419158
12/01/21 07:33 AM
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Re: Michigan high school shootings [Re: Nittany Lion] #7419167
12/01/21 07:46 AM
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"We have talked to the parents, and all I can tell you is they didn’t want their son to talk to us and they have hired an attorney"

And the kid somehow got ahold of the gun his dad bought just 4 days ago...

Sounds like some world class parenting


Gotta live up to the nickname...
Re: Michigan high school shootings [Re: Nittany Lion] #7419183
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Well, i never shot anyone but i could get ahold of any gun my dad bought from about the age of 8 on.

Re: Michigan high school shootings [Re: coondagger2] #7419186
12/01/21 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by coondagger2
"We have talked to the parents, and all I can tell you is they didn’t want their son to talk to us and they have hired an attorney"

And the kid somehow got ahold of the gun his dad bought just 4 days ago...

Sounds like some world class parenting

Ignorant comment. You know 0 facts of what happened.


No Jab.
Re: Michigan high school shootings [Re: James] #7419197
12/01/21 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by James
I bet the anti-gunners try to use this incident, as they have Sandy Hook and other incidents.
Jim


Yeah but those anti gunners would still need half wits to vote for them!


�What�s good for me may not be good for the weak minded.�
Captain Gus McCrae- Texas Rangers


Re: Michigan high school shootings [Re: Sprung & Rusty] #7419198
12/01/21 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Sprung & Rusty
Originally Posted by coondagger2
"We have talked to the parents, and all I can tell you is they didn’t want their son to talk to us and they have hired an attorney"

And the kid somehow got ahold of the gun his dad bought just 4 days ago...

Sounds like some world class parenting

Ignorant comment. You know 0 facts of what happened.


Just as ignorant as this.

Originally Posted by Gary Benson
Upstanding white youth?


Politics aside, 3 kids went to school yesterday and didn't come home. A lot more will never forget this.

I didn't enjoy talking to my middle school aged daughter about it last night.


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Re: Michigan high school shootings [Re: Nittany Lion] #7419220
12/01/21 08:35 AM
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In Michigan, you can be criminally and civilly liable for any harm caused by a
person less than 18 years of age who lawfully gains unsupervised
access to your firearm if unlawfully stored. That is the first question. IF it was properly secured, did the Minor have access to that “secured” area? . . . e.g. have the combination to the safe? ect.


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Re: Michigan high school shootings [Re: Sprung & Rusty] #7419221
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Originally Posted by Sprung & Rusty
Originally Posted by coondagger2
"We have talked to the parents, and all I can tell you is they didn’t want their son to talk to us and they have hired an attorney"

And the kid somehow got ahold of the gun his dad bought just 4 days ago...

Sounds like some world class parenting

Ignorant comment. You know 0 facts of what happened.

So you're saying that this kid carrying out this horrendous shooting is in no way a reflection of the way he was raised?


Gotta live up to the nickname...
Re: Michigan high school shootings [Re: Nittany Lion] #7419269
12/01/21 09:22 AM
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Coondager. There's no telling that. I know good kids that had bad parents, and bad kids that had good parents. There are lots of factors. Without knowing anything personally, how can anyone just point the finger?


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Re: Michigan high school shootings [Re: Nittany Lion] #7419272
12/01/21 09:26 AM
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Yes her kids are OK
Kind of.

Re: Michigan high school shootings [Re: Nittany Lion] #7419289
12/01/21 09:47 AM
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Just plain sad prayers for all.

Re: Michigan high school shootings [Re: Sprung & Rusty] #7419291
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Originally Posted by Sprung & Rusty
Coondager. There's no telling that. I know good kids that had bad parents, and bad kids that had good parents. There are lots of factors. Without knowing anything personally, how can anyone just point the finger?

I see where you are coming from and I appreciate the benefit of the doubt. I just think that maybe if some things would have been different for this kid he wouldn't have resorted to doing what he did.

It will be interesting to see if the gun was accessible to the kid. Like SJA was saying, that could be a different charge entirely


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Re: Michigan high school shootings [Re: Nittany Lion] #7419294
12/01/21 09:56 AM
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Throw the book at this shooter. Life without parole. Install metal detectors at all schools. Father was irresponsible in leaving gun where kid could get it.

Re: Michigan high school shootings [Re: James] #7419297
12/01/21 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by James
The gun made him do it.

Jim


Would have had better results with Moms mini van


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Re: Michigan high school shootings [Re: Nittany Lion] #7419301
12/01/21 10:07 AM
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I don't think kids are oblivious to the world around them. They see the general tenor of how their parents are at each other's throats and there is a trickle-down effect. Not excusing the act but I think that's part of it. It also eats away at the argument for the all-important 'socialization' big government types say home schooled kids lack.

Re: Michigan high school shootings [Re: Nittany Lion] #7419311
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It's sad home situation if you have to keep your gun locked up from your kids.

Re: Michigan high school shootings [Re: Matt28] #7419316
12/01/21 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Matt28
It's sad home situation if you have to keep your gun locked up from your kids.

No. It's common sense. Kids should not have free reign over the gun safe.

Maybe I'm crazy for thinking this way


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Re: Michigan high school shootings [Re: James] #7419318
12/01/21 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by James
The gun made him do it.

Jim

That's what the imbeciles YOU VOTED FOR will say,,,,JIMMY.


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Re: Michigan high school shootings [Re: Nittany Lion] #7419326
12/01/21 10:34 AM
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Without knowing this particular child’s situation, it is hard to place blame yet. That being said, until we are able to regain some sort of control of our public schools systems, I believe this problem will not be going away. We have shackled our teachers and administrators so much that they don’t even dare raise a voice to a child without fear of losing their careers. The liberal dumbing down of our school system has caused irreparable damage to many of our young people. I truly believe that the whole school experience is just as much about learning to socialize and work together as it is gaining some knowledge from a book. Once the role of disciplinarian was taken from the people who oversee all of our children, (for more hours a weekday, for 9 months of the year) than we as parents do all heck has broken loose. I have a 16 yo and some of the stories I hear make me sick to my stomach, yet nothing is done due to not wanting to rock the boat. We are very likely moving our son to a private school for a more structured last two years. My .02


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