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Logging roads were built up on my property a couple months ago to hold up the logging equipment traffic. Dirt was dug by excavator and piled/smoothed out in the roads. Yesterday while on that strech of road my son looks down and finds this fantastic artifact....a gorget....made from greenstone, it appears. For those that know what this is...it is a fantastic find...even though there is some damage to each end. We have found hundreds of points, blades, etc over the years, but never imagined a find like this.
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Re: Very Nice Find....
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12/23/21 02:27 PM
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Wolf, what is it's intended use please? May help me date it. Nice find by the way.
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Re: Very Nice Find....
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Good for you. I never find anything. Maybe 2 points in 30 years
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Re: Very Nice Find....
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Wolf, what is it's intended use please? May help me date it. Nice find by the way. Gorgets were used by native Americans, based on research, for several different uses....throat protector during hand to hand combat, ornamental jewelry, hair or clothing decoration/pendants, burial/funeral body decoration..... Was a popular item to natives in the eastern US during the Mississippian era...800AD to about 1600AD.
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Re: Very Nice Find....
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Wolf, what is it's intended use please? May help me date it. Nice find by the way. Woodland period. Jewelry.
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Re: Very Nice Find....
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Another cool aspect about this is......greenstone only occurs in parts of Canada and out in Wyoming. Some long trade routes for that to get to southeast Georgia.
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Re: Very Nice Find....
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Ok, so almost modern by some standards, thought it might be older.
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Re: Very Nice Find....
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Ok, so almost modern by some standards, thought it might be older. Not exactly.....it is believed to have been an item developed in late Woodland era....couple thousand years ago...became a more popular item during the Mississipian era and was observed by European explorers being worn by natives during first contact.
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Re: Very Nice Find....
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Ok not much difference w-land to miss era are contiguous.
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I wonder how those perfect holes were drilled? Is that stone real soft or something?
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These are found associated with Hopewell and Adena cultures as well as later Mississippian sites. Most of the ones I have seen were from the midwest and were made from banded slate.
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Re: Very Nice Find....
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Danny the material is soft and it's thought that a primitive bow drill was used. They are usually drilled from both sides to meet in the middle-sometime they don't line up exactly.
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Ok not much difference w-land to miss era are contiguous. The archeological time periods do overlap by a few hundred years. Woodland era is said to began when it was discovered by archaeologists that the natives were becoming more sedentary and less mobile....likely as their popluations increased. They began establishing year-round occupied villages instead of seasonal camps. They learned and developed growing food such as corn instead of just gathering native foods. They continued developing more complex funeral practices for their dead such as burial mound amd other rituals. Their populations developed societal hierarchy levels with the now larger popluations in smaller areas. I could go on and on...lol. About 3 or 4 thousand years ago when these changes started coming about in what's now the eastern US. Things became more complex as populations expanded....hence the Mississipian era began about 1500 or so years ago. Then, larger towns had developed, some with palisade walls and many mounds.......
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Re: Very Nice Find....
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I wonder how those perfect holes were drilled? Is that stone real soft or something? That stone is softer than flint or chert. If you've ever saw a flint drill...it was used to twist back and forth...many times, to bore those holes in the softer stone.
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Re: Very Nice Find....
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Where I live between the Tippicanoe and Wabash rivers It is typical to find many items from the late to early archaic, and some, few much older. We think it was due to game abundance and ease of travel to the Ohio, then onto the Mississippi. I did not recognize it hence my curiosity. Between my father in law and myself we have found a lot of artifacts but I've never seen one of those. I have two Clovis type points, one in perfect condition. Common color/stone but Clovis none the less. Good find Merry Christmas.
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Where I live between the Tippicanoe and Wabash rivers It is typical to find many items from the late to early archaic, and some, few much older. We think it was due to game abundance and ease of travel to the Ohio, then onto the Mississippi. I did not recognize it hence my curiosity. Between my father in law and myself we have found a lot of artifacts but I've never seen one of those. I have two Clovis type points, one in perfect condition. Common color/stone but Clovis none the less. Good find Merry Christmas.
There Clovis=Paleo. Very nice finds! From the first humans on this continent. I have only one early Clovis, but it is a dandy. 4" long and double fluted. Found on a sandy knoll next to a small stream here in SE Ga. It has been photographed/catalogued with the University of Georgia. My family and I have a few other late Paleo finds from this area, but most came off the riverbed. Most are Daltons and Bolen points.
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Re: Very Nice Find....
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We find a few Daltons maybe a Boleyn but I can't think of one right now, but that would make sense for you in FL. We find quite a few Thebes and Hardens. My best Clovis was confirmed by a pencil head (Phd.) from Purdue. The only way I could list it as such at the show. Their rules, Rocks and Relics. In Ohio. Back before everyone went to notill and we were still deep plowing folks would come from the city and ask to walk the fields after spring rains. When I built this house I had to drill for telephone poles, in the drill dirt of one pole my wife found one of my best Pine Trees ever, bright red Hematite (iron stone). Perfect condition. Good Luck.
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