According to one lay engineer this won’t be a problem:

https://youtu.be/7dfyG6FXsUU



Really? I think most of the charging stations are 40-50 amps.

I’m confused by the lack of information this small segment of the population has on electric cars. I guess when you bury your head in the sand not a lot gets through.

The infrastructure problem will eventually be solved. It was the same way when gas cars came out....there was nowhere to go buy gasoline, there certainly wasn't a gas station on every corner. A lot of rural folks had to distill their own ethanol for fuel. There weren't mechanics, sometimes you had to find a blacksmith to make parts. People thought they were extremely dangerous.....they were called bombs on wheels. Heaven forbid all that gasoline being carried around like that.
There's always resistance to new technology, but eventually even the naysayers accept it.

The big problem with electric vehicles is that the government is pushing them, instead of letting the market develop freely. As electric cars become more practical, they'll become more popular, just like what happened with gas cars, no government intervention warranted.

What infrastructure?Gerrit just plugs his in at his house.

when has .gov ever been wrong???

Common nominal pack voltages in current vehicles range from 100V-200V for hybrid/plug-in hybrid vehicles and 400V to 800V and higher for electric-only vehicles.

Battery Capacity: Electric vehicles: 30 to 100 kWh or more.

Looks like the fast chargers use 240 volts. 240volts times 50 amps equals 12 KW. Many houses are supplied by 15KVA and 25KVA transformers. A 15 will usually handle about 3 to 4 houses. A 25 will do about 5 or 6. Going to have to replace almost all the distribution transformers.

When you drive down the road and see all those cylinders mounted up on those power line poles those may have to be replaced. All those distribution lines may also have to be replaced. That is the cheap stuff. Now drive through a subdivision with underground service. Those green boxes hold pad mount transformers that may have to be replaced. If the distribution lines need to be upgraded, look forward to your yards being excavated. If you drive by an electrical substation, all those transformers may have to be replaced or reconfigured and new ones added. The reclosers, same. That is just the distribution network.

Hopefully the upgrades can be done with Rearden metal.

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They don't want you to leave your home now it seems.

For those of us who are more reluctant to do the big step first, maybe owning and driving a hybrid would be an easier transition. I do believe that just as we have seen huge changes and improvements in internal combustion vehicles, that over time the electric ones will do the same.

Bryce

You guys all seem more updated with all your numbers. I see things much simpler. Every summer in various urban sprawls, there are rolling blackouts when it gets hot. TX got turned upside down by in ice storm.

We can only increase electricity consumption by building more power stations and transmission lines. Windmills will cut down on their output but often the wind don't blow. That electricity has to be generated somewhere. Everyone of those windmill farms has to be backed up by coal, natural gas, or nuclear generators. Those generators can not be shut down and fired up when needed. They must operate 24 hours a day.

Electric cars may be more efficient at using energy. I don't see how though. Especially with energy loss through heat in transmission lines. Its pretty substantial. Before we can all start driving battery powered 4WD pickups that stuff will need addressed. The green goblins all have a walleyed fit whenever new generators or more power lines are brought up. I think its still away's off.

"IBEW Endorses Joe Biden for President

"“Joe Biden has listened to IBEW members, and his energy policy has been shaped by deep, meaningful conversations with the professionals who will build and maintain the energy grid of the future. He backs an all-of-the-above approach to slashing carbon emissions. He also has proposed the largest-ever investment in clean-energy technology, as well as an aggressive clean-power infrastructure plan that will make the United States a global leader in fighting climate change, while putting tens of thousands of Americans to work building the energy economy of the future.



Imagine that!

Except build back better did not pass

Sounds like Biden and IBEW are in agreement with the communists:
"We invite you to join the Communist Party in this epic time as we make good trouble to uproot systemic racism, retool the war economy, tax the rich, address climate change, secure voting rights and create a new socialist system that puts people, peace and planet before profits," emcee Ben McManus told the audience during the event.

I wonder what the power loss is when it's 100 F or 0 F outside? Certainly these vechiles have heat and ac right?

Personally I prefer gas, but if I had to pick between hy rid and pure electric, I'd pick pure electric. A hybrid is way more complicated than a pure electric. Here's a hybrid that I'm replacing an engine in a t work ...it's a cobweb of hoses and cables up front. It's quite a pain. The transmission is like 4 feet long and weighs more than the engine with the electric motor in it.

No, the peons will get up at dark-thirty, put on their gray paper coveralls, grab their Soylent green lunch, kiss their "life partner" on the cheek, hug their government-sanctioned offspring, then leave their apartment and walk several blocks to the monorail station. Once there, they will crowd on like cattle to go their various occupations that keep the hive running.

Meanwhile, the "elite" will be chauffeured to their palatial offices while eating "royal jelly" and deciding which one of your offspring they'll molest next. Fuedal lords could only dream of a fiefdom such as this.

It will be a utopia... no insects ever had it better.

Just gotta get rid of the deplorables who still bitterly cling to freedom, guns, and religion.

Mike

most are but a hole house home air conditioner is around 30 amps we can't keep these running in metro areas in the heat of summer with current infistructure

to run your AC adn charge 2 cars and then you have to look at how fast do you need to charge

we are talking miles per hour , but in reverse how many miles charge can you get in an hour of charging

80 amps 240 service will get you up to 44 miles of charge in 1 hour

a 15 amp 120volt service will get you up to 3 miles charge range per hour

these numbers are a bit optimistic that is why they say "up to" if you like heat to air at this time cut those numbers by a 3rd to half depending on how comfortable you want to be and how hot or cold it is outside.

a 15 amp wall outlet will get you 2 to 1.5 miles per hour charging

a 30amp 240 outlet will get you up to 15 miles of charge distance per hour
a co-worker has a Model 3 tesla if you want heat enough to be comfortable in WI at 20 degrees you get to cut your distance in half

his wife drives about 12 miles to work in the city and back they have all night to let their 40 amp charge station charge it it takes about 4 hours since they have it set to charge slower to extend battery life.



I am not saying it can't happen I am saying they are selling green and it isn't green at all it is disposable cars with huge amounts fo rare earth metals that get mines on other continents

And this kind of nonsense is why I would not be a member.

The IBEW is looking to create jobs for their members. I'm sure their members have made a killing installing and maintaining wind generators and solar arrays.

Some more bad news. Even if the current distribution lines can handle the increase in current, line losses are calculated by amps squared times the resistance of the line.

For example: If the resistance of the line is 10 ohms and the current is 10 amps the power loss is 10 times 10 times 10 equals or 1000 Watts

If the current increases to 20 amps, 20 time 20 times 10 equals 4000 watts

Doubling the current increases the losses by a factor of 4

Increase the current by 3 times and losses increase by 9

It is easy for Wesly Mouch to central plan, but doesn't mean he has a clue as to how all this will work. Just picking winners and losers based on PULL.

P.S. You don't want to be at the end of the distribution line when your voltage drops below 110V.

Disposable cars? How is that different from our current system?

For sure there are huge hurdles to jump and things that pencil out on paper usually don’t work so slickly in real life. However, a smart electrical system in your house (and the larger grid) will allow most vehicle charging to happen at night when electrical demand is lower. If people have to choose between having their thermostat set at 75 during the summer and driving to work or set at 68 and walking I’m sure people will find a little more grit in their being.

What is the energy loss through transmission? Or is this a red herring you will use to support your argument?

Natural gas turbines are up to 60% efficient. Electric cars are, depending on how you measure it, 59-77% efficient. Internal combustion engine powered cars are, at best, 35% efficient. I guess if transmission lines are only ~40% efficient then you’ve got an point.

I've got a Tesla and I fix a lot of them. I really like mine so far, especially on a longer road trip. I've driven it in pretty extreme heat, 106-115 degrees, across Idaho and Washington. I did not notice any extra battery degeneration. Common sense tells you it would, but truthfully, it didn't seem to affect the range in a way that was noticeable to me.

If you don't like them, don't buy one. I'm in a diesel pickup 90% of the time.