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Re: Fat Marten. [Re: Boco] #7452651
01/06/22 05:22 PM
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The ruffed grouse love mountain ash berries,and the sap sucking woodpeckers drill their bark full of rows of small holes.
Mountain ash is an edge species here.And on dry ground.


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Re: Fat Marten. [Re: Boco] #7452661
01/06/22 05:27 PM
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My guess is that the soils are not well drained enough in much of AK to suit that plant


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Re: Fat Marten. [Re: Boco] #7452664
01/06/22 05:29 PM
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Look at marten poops before the snow, and ones trapped before the snow, and you can find berries same as fox at times.

Re: Fat Marten. [Re: Boco] #7452668
01/06/22 05:33 PM
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Yeah that's when I found the blueberries but usually we always have snow before the season opens


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Re: Fat Marten. [Re: Boco] #7452672
01/06/22 05:35 PM
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Cant blame the marten. I would eat those chocolate chip cookies too ....

Re: Fat Marten. [Re: Boco] #7452881
01/06/22 09:10 PM
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Do tell, White. Who made your lunch that day?


Made it almost 3 years without censor!

Re: Fat Marten. [Re: white17] #7453008
01/06/22 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by white17
In one stomach I found a piece of quartz about the size of a pea and in another, I found a piece of blue tarp !


I saw a pile of bear scat on the road in front of the Hyder PO once that was entirely yellow poly rope and aluminum foil. Go figure.


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Re: Fat Marten. [Re: Boco] #7453033
01/07/22 12:51 AM
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Plenty of mountain ash here. I often find mountain ash berries in blue grouse crops.

Re: Fat Marten. [Re: Boco] #7453054
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I was skinning a wolf once and stuffed an old pair of long johns in his butt to keep him from Off-gassing,
A buddy came in and seen the leg of a pair of longjohns hanging out the wolfs arse and thought he ate someone.


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Re: Fat Marten. [Re: Boco] #7453062
01/07/22 02:36 AM
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Sables love mountain ash; a few years ago we had a big crop and sables ignored pretty much everything else, including bait, until early January or so (it was also easy to see in their scat, which was pure orange from berries, only occasionally with some shreds of red-backed vole fur). Siberian weasels (Mustela sibirica) also love it and will climb very high up mountain ash trees to get these berries. Trappers here often add clumps of mountain ash berries, as well as Viburnum berries, to bait in leghold sets to make bait more appealing visually. In areas with good numbers of hazel grouse, they often get caught in such sets, too, especially early in the season, which is partially intentional (breast meat is taken and the rest is used for bait).

Re: Fat Marten. [Re: Boco] #7453159
01/07/22 08:30 AM
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Good to see you back Tatiana. Your observations make sense and complement much of what we are seeing here.

Weasels in trees for sure all the trappers here know that too. Had a buddy watch one the other day go up a tree twice after birds that were attracted to his bird feeder. It never got any birds but no quitter that animal.

Re: Fat Marten. [Re: Boco] #7453257
01/07/22 10:40 AM
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X2 Good to see you here Tatiana. How far are you from salt water ?



Once, many years back, I had an old man come to my cabin and ask for help with a bull moose he had just shot. I got in the boat and went with him.

When we rolled the guts out, and his wife opened the paunch, we found about 500 feet of pink surveyors tape would through the chambers.

At that time BLM was marking allotment corners by dropping an entire roll of flagging from helicopters so the ground crews could locate the approximate corners. It was disgusting to see that stuff all over the landscape !

I figured the stuff had landed in a willow patch and once he got started he just kept ingesting it like a continuous piece of spaghetti.


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Re: Fat Marten. [Re: Boco] #7453295
01/07/22 11:23 AM
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I never noticed marten eating mountain ash here, but then I've never trapped them when there were berries on. We have lots of mountain ash here, and they are pretty. In fact some of the towns plant them as decorative landscaping. Birds and bears will eat them, but I've neve really seen them as a preferred food. They taste like dirt to me, a friend had me pick a bunch for him one time he was going to try and make wine out of, but I guess it didn't turn out. I remember one year about fifteen years ago when the bears were in them one fall and that is all they were eating, if you weren't in mountain ash there weren't any bears around. But that is the only time I have ever seen it like that, every other year it seems like they will eat them if nothing else is available, and maybe grab a clump as they walk by, but certainly don't go out of their way to eat them.

Re: Fat Marten. [Re: bearcat2] #7453311
01/07/22 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by white17
How far are you from salt water ?

A few hundred miles, give or take.

Originally Posted by bearcat2
They taste like dirt to me, a friend had me pick a bunch for him one time he was going to try and make wine out of, but I guess it didn't turn out.


IMHO, mountain ash is probably one of the best and most foolproof wild berries for winemaking. Raw berries taste awful, but they lose the bitterness during the fermentation process and their high sorbate content (sorbates are natural preservatives named after Sorbus, actually), protects the wine against molds in the process, even if you prefer low alcohol content in the resulting drink, which is a mild, straw or amber-colored wine with a very recognizable delicate smell. You don't even need brewer's yeast, the naturally occuring strains on the surface do the job very well. I set a batch every year, either pure mountain ash, or a combination with cloudberries or sea buckthorn, but not being a big drinker, I just give it away to eager friends....

by the way, here's a picture taken by Artur Murzakhanov from the Barguzinskiy nature reserve:
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Re: Fat Marten. [Re: Boco] #7453363
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GREAT picture!!


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Re: Fat Marten. [Re: Boco] #7453368
01/07/22 12:45 PM
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Lovely picture!

This has been a very informative thread, thank you everyone that has added to it.

Re: Fat Marten. [Re: Boco] #7453377
01/07/22 12:50 PM
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People in Newfoundland/Labardor have long made dogberry (mountain ash) wine too. Very good to hear an informed Russian version of it.

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Re: Fat Marten. [Re: Tatiana] #7453409
01/07/22 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Tatiana
Originally Posted by white17
How far are you from salt water ?

A few hundred miles, give or take.

Originally Posted by bearcat2
They taste like dirt to me, a friend had me pick a bunch for him one time he was going to try and make wine out of, but I guess it didn't turn out.


IMHO, mountain ash is probably one of the best and most foolproof wild berries for winemaking. Raw berries taste awful, but they lose the bitterness during the fermentation process and their high sorbate content (sorbates are natural preservatives named after Sorbus, actually), protects the wine against molds in the process, even if you prefer low alcohol content in the resulting drink, which is a mild, straw or amber-colored wine with a very recognizable delicate smell. You don't even need brewer's yeast, the naturally occuring strains on the surface do the job very well. I set a batch every year, either pure mountain ash, or a combination with cloudberries or sea buckthorn, but not being a big drinker, I just give it away to eager friends....

by the way, here's a picture taken by Artur Murzakhanov from the Barguzinskiy nature reserve:
[Linked Image]


Great picture!!
It is my dream to visit the Barguzin river valley. Hopefully as soon as this covid nonsense is over.
I plan to take the train to Irkutsk, then spend about a week or so traveling up the east side of the lake.
Are you located anywhere near the rail line?


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Re: Fat Marten. [Re: Boco] #7453448
01/07/22 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by waggler
Are you located anywhere near the rail line?

40 minutes from the biggest station on the Transsib (that is, when I'm not up north in Yugra...)

Re: Fat Marten. [Re: Boco] #7453795
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Mountain ash being in the Rose family as are apple trees can have burn-out years and bumper years with flower and fruit production.
Thanks for sharing that photo Tatiana.

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