I did the key thing also, worse when the points happen to be closed.....They were welded shut.

Thanks for the replies guys. Guess it's like everything else practice practice practice. Doubt I'll convert, stuck in my old ways. Will prob try it if I only have bvr or two. My goal is just get em skinned and in freezer since I'm couple states away from home. Even tho I'm getting paid as a contractor I still can't throw em away. I have developed market for everything on a bvr except digestive tract and some of the feet.