Re: Snowshoes vs x country skis
[Re: K9BeavCoon]
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02/18/22 01:25 PM
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skunkly
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Boco, i can't tell with the pics: are the toes on those wrapped with something and or dowled/screwed/rivited?
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Re: Snowshoes vs x country skis
[Re: K9BeavCoon]
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02/18/22 09:45 PM
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I've only ever used snowshoes. Went through a few pairs. The best I've found for my use are no longer made. Cabela's used to sell an outfitter series snowshoe that was just a rebranded Atlas (even still said Atlas on it, but was never mentioned in info and when I asked a salesperson on the phone before I bought a pair who made them, they told me that they weren't at liberty to divulge. ??) that had the good ratchet bindings that you can do and undo quickly with gloves and stay tight, good solid decking (the woven stuff, or stuff with holes in it, doesn't work for me, I hike through too much brush and break too much trail, always getting limbs stuck through holes and tripping you up) and were well balanced so that the toe lifted and heel dropped when you lifted your foot without being too extreme, but I never had an issue with the toe going under the crust and tripping me up. They also had some spring to them like Boco describes (I'm sure not as good as his wood ones, but better than any other metal framed ones I've used) and good smooth stainless "claws" that gripped ice without having warm wet snow pack in them nearly as bad as the aluminum ones most snowshoes come with. On steep, icy/crusty ground I find those "claws" invalueable. Unfortunately I wore that pair out after about 10 years, actually wore through the decking from wearing them so much. Next pair I got were the same, except they had changed to a smaller lighter frame and I broke them. Lifetime guarantee but they had quit making them, so all I could do was get my money back. First pair I still have with the thought that if I can ever find the material they decked them with I will redo them myself. Now the only snowshoes I can find with the good ratchet bindings are various cheap chinese knockoffs. Which is what I am currently using, but I've tried about three different brands and I've got almost two years on my current pair, best I've done, but they look like the decking isn't going to last much longer, and none of them have been as comfortable or user friendly.
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Re: Snowshoes vs x country skis
[Re: K9BeavCoon]
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02/19/22 06:57 PM
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The two pair on the left have Rottefella binding on them and I refinished the second pair from the left, and took off the old bear trap cable bindings. None of my skis will handle very deep snow. I like the Rottefella binding though, and I might make a pair, 10' long and 4-5 inches wide for deep , dry, forest snow.
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Re: Snowshoes vs x country skis
[Re: Tatiana]
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02/19/22 07:14 PM
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Doesn't anyone uses wide (7-8'') skis in North America, and moose leg hide skis in particular? Over here, virtually nobody uses snowshoes, except snowboarders and such. Good hunting skis have all the advantages of showshoes except you can move at 5mph easily.... I would be very interested to see a picture I have seen some 4 to 4 1/2 inch skis but not many and not common
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Re: Snowshoes vs x country skis
[Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE]
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02/20/22 02:00 AM
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I would be very interested to see a picture Here. This pair is made of Siberian pine wood (split, not sawn, for strength) by a Khanty craftsman. It's about 10 years old but still not much wear on it, except along the edge on the front part. The moose skins are sewn together with a nylon thread and glued to the skis with fish glue. Thanks to the stiff hairs you can trek up relatively steep slopes easily, because they don't slide backwards at all, and ski down, and the fur also makes them very quiet, which is necessary for stalking moose. This particular pair is about 5.5 feet long and 8 inches wide, which is enough to hold a total weight of ~200-220 pounds comfortably on any kind of snow. We use skis to check shorter traplines (up to 10 miles long) and for population surveying (which also usually involves 5-10 mile routes). the straps are very simple. The bag is tied around the leg above the boot and serves to prevent snow from getting under the soles, so that it doesn't creak. You can use such skis with any type of boots. I usually wear insulated EVA boots, but for moose stalking, people wear soft insulated boots made of tanned moose leather or furred reindeer leg skins, to reduce noise. Some people buy cheaper mass-market hunting skis, sold in all hunting/outdoors stores, usually made of thin aspen boards, and glue strips of moose leg skin to them. Some use cow and horse fur, but it doesn't work as well). Reindeer leg skins are also used sometimes; otter fur is a rare but also the most sought-after variant - otter skis are slightly less efficient for climbing steep hills, but they're also the quietest. There are also some commercial models made of laminated plywood with fur replaced by tufts of coarse hair glued into the lower surface, but I have no experience with them...
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Re: Snowshoes vs x country skis
[Re: K9BeavCoon]
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02/20/22 02:25 PM
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skunkly
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Great stuff Tatiana! Thanks for the pics and info.
"Let a King's offspring be sparing in words, and bold in battle; glad and wholesome the hero be till comes his dying day" The Sayings of Har: Havamal
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Re: Snowshoes vs x country skis
[Re: K9BeavCoon]
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02/27/22 02:40 AM
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1 thing that can make skis more effective is wax. Even the waxless skis (which are nice) can often benefit from glide wax properly placed on the skis
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