Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
[Re: silkyplainscoyot]
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04/13/22 05:50 PM
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I've seen it happen where a certain product is hot 1 year but not the next. I've also seen where certain products are hot every year and consistently produce. I'm not sure it's habituation to a certain lure. You know your sets are being avoided but is it because of a certain lure? Maybe sometimes, but how can pups the following year be habituated to it? I think it's perhaps because of some other reason we don't quite understand. Maybe there were certain things going on in their diet they were lacking that year so their bodies craved what was in a particular lure. We know different weather or times of the year can change how they react to some products. I'm not trying to disagree that they may become habituated, but perhaps there's more to it than we understand. Anyhow, I don't get too caught up in the habituation thing but if it's not producing change it up. You make some good points about the behavior we call habituation. We probably won't know all the reasons WHY it happens, we just know that it does happen. One reason I interpret from that behavior is that most trappers don't pick up their lure or bait sticks at the end of the season. When I'm scouting for cats in the spring and summer, I'm always coming across old cat sets (I only trap public land), and I watch my dog. Some sets are so old he doesn't pay attention to them; some are recent enough he will eventually track down the lure stick and give it the once over. Occasionally I can see wet spots on the lure sticks and I can even identify the lure sometimes by holding it up to my nose. One of the elements of a good lure is the element of novelty. If the critter has smelled that odor 1,000 times before, it may not have the same attraction or appeal as getting that first whiff of a new smell.
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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
[Re: MChewk]
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04/16/22 06:48 AM
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Can you say GH3? Lol I agree Gary and Rob...change up attractors like the old reliable urine and droppings usually works in those cases. That’s why gang setting is so valuable...several different smelling sets at hot locations. I will add that having the ability to PICK UP those attractors via a container of sorts or like a toy can help in habituation. Just my take GH3 worked but not like when GH2 first was released. I take everything with me, I even throw the rocks LOL. The best G&Ds have teeth marks. I don't dig holes partly for that reason. Gang setting flat works. It takes a lot of gear but it's worth it. When a location goes dead look 30 - 50 feet downwind. that's were new sets go. Their light is yellow so low-key flats seem to do best. A female coyote can teach multiple litters to avoid danger. Then when she's gone the pups that learned carry that to the next generation. Maybe? I have multiple lures that work well but I give a few a vacation and try new stuff every season. Does it matter? We can only speculate; we will really never know for sure. Intrigue is a biggy too. Dang coyotes anyway! Awesome thread James
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Common sense catches alot of fur.. Pay homage to all you harvest..
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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
[Re: Old coy]
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04/16/22 10:58 AM
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In order to change things up is it enough to just change to a different bait base and lures from the same manufacturer? Or should you go to a totally different line of bait/lure?
Moving set locations might be harder to do. I usually make a dirt hole and a flat set of some type at the same area. Many times using the same hole for several years. I don’t pick up lures or cover holes but do pick up bones. Whether you decide to use different smells from the same lure maker or switch to another brand, a new smell is a still new smell. I like to try what different makers have to offer. If your bait has extra ingredients added it will probably have a distinct smell just like any other lure. When it comes to commercial baits you really have no idea what’s in them. I think those unnatural curiosity smells that are often times added to the mix can possibly make a coyote shy away from a spiked bait. I have found that good fresh bait with only sodium benzoate added never loses its appeal. I wouldn’t worry too much about removing bait as much as I would about removing the lure. Even if you only move the set location a few yards it can often times make a big difference. Keep in mind if you pour lure on the ground on down he hole like many other trappers, you no longer have the option to remove it.
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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
[Re: Old coy]
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04/17/22 09:47 AM
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Thanks for the explanations! This fall will be time to change some things up. Think I will break out the Lucero lures I have had on the shelf! Sounds like a solid plan Coy!.Mr. Lucero’s lures have remained my top three producers since I started using them. JL#1 has held the top spot, with Coyotero and Winter Wolf fighting for runner up. I haven’t pulled out Night Train yet because his Big Three have continued to crush coyotes. I still rotate a good number of other proven smells to hold interest and not burn up any one lure. Out of all the attractants I use each year, Mr. Lucero’s continue to hold the top three positions.
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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
[Re: TEJAS]
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04/18/22 07:56 AM
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What Laz stated about the first whiff is priceless.
The best sets Known to man all have one thing in common, A focal point. The best advise I've ever got was give them a target to focus on.
Common sense catches alot of fur.. Pay homage to all you harvest..
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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
[Re: trappergbus]
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04/19/22 07:48 AM
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The best sets Known to man all have one thing in common, A focal point.
The best advice I've ever got was give them a target to focus on. I agree in part G. One trapper’s idea of a focal point can be a lot different from another. I’ve see folks squirt urine all over a large backing and call it good. In doing so you have created a big focal point that makes it much more difficult to narrow down foot placement. It’s much easier to determine pan placement when your attractant is in a pinpoint area. With that in mind, one focal point will only give you so much foot traffic. I have found that two attractants properly positioned will create much more foot traffic than a single smell. For me, the most deadly sets and attractants are the ones that create the most foot traffic.
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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
[Re: TEJAS]
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04/21/22 07:24 AM
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This male was caught at the entrance to an old bone yard. The lure was made by a good friend and trapper from Montana. It is a straight female coyote gland. Male – Flat Set – Female Coyote Gland – G-Dog Urine
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