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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #7565462
04/21/22 11:35 AM
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Here is my list
Dirt hole
Flat set
Toy set
Blind set
Post set

Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #7565489
04/21/22 11:57 AM
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Variations of the dirt hole and flat set would take the most adult coyotes for me. That's what I use the most. Don't really ever waste my time on toy or blind sets. Blind sets would probably be a killer on adult coyotes but I don't use them because a lot of other animals are on the same trail.

I know you're are talking footholds but I've seen a lot of old, adult coyotes fall victim to snares. Nothing more natural than snagging them as they cruise down a trail oblivious to the loop ahead of them.

Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #7565721
04/21/22 06:16 PM
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Flat set
scent post
toy set
blind set
dirt hole

Most of my sets are some variation of a flat set. My scent post sets, I don't call scent posts, but a pee post or gland lure and urine. The post is usually something natural, whether a small bush, old stump, rock, snow hump, or simply a pile of coyote, wolf, or dog crap with urine shot on it and possibly gland lure. The only "toy" sets I make are using a bone, most often a t-bone as a attractor and backing. Everything except a pee post I generally call a flat set, and pee posts and variations of flat sets make up at least 80% of my sets. Blind sets I only make in the snow, where they can be very effective, have a good chance of picking up a wary old canine. Dirt holes are something I just don't make that often. I throw one in now and then as a changeup, and they catch stuff, I just figure almost everything I can catch in a dirthole I can catch in a flat set and they are more likely to be wary of a dirthole. Also I'm often trapping in frozen ground where digging is a pain, or in rocks, or in snow. So it is easier to make a flat set or pee post.

Caught a pair of adult coyotes today, and the male was about as big as I've come across here. He was caught in a flat set/scent post with a pile of coyote crap (some old and already there, added to with a turd squeezed out of a coyote caught the day I made the set) with gland lure and urine. The female was caught 50 yards away in a flat set with a cowpie backing and some Violater 7 under it.

Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #7566136
04/22/22 06:35 AM
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South Texas Brush Country
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It is very interesting to see what works best for trappers in different areas of the country.

I often wonder if the effectiveness of any one set is simply determined by the population and pressure a specific area or state sees overall.

I think that in many cases it may be just a matter of personal preference and what a trapper has the most confidence in on their line.

Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #7566314
04/22/22 09:02 AM
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I agree with what you’re thinking on this.

Population affects competition for food, mates and territory.

Pressure affects responses to both increased or decreased exposures.

Preference will decide which type set is used and our favorite set is used more often.

Confidence in what you’re doing is a real thing. If you’re second guessing as the set is made, it won’t be as effective.

Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #7566767
04/22/22 07:02 PM
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For adult coyotes I use flat sets almost exclusively. The number of variations is limited only by your imagination.

Some flats work much better than others for me. I think the look you show them on these types of sets can really help reel them in.

Blind trail sets come in second when I have a coyote or two that has put my flat sets on ignore. I tend to snag a lot of older coyotes with blinds.

It is amazing how effective they can be when placed correctly according to what the current recon mission had to offer. Off the radar coyotes never see that blind set coming 200 yards down the trail from a series of gang sets they know is there.


Rarely do I use toy, post, or hole sets anymore.

I think the post set has the potential to work well on pressured ground, but I need to really up my game to be more effective with it.

Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #7567222
04/23/22 07:58 AM
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I have a short list LOL, Flat sets
Blind sets

Scent posts are just a variation of the flat set determined by the scent I use. Some with backings some without. Grab and dies and toys for some. Variation is key. The possibilities are endless.

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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #7567326
04/23/22 09:49 AM
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80% flat sets,15% trench hole and 5% blind sets are what I use.

Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #7568469
04/24/22 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by trappergbus
I have a short list:

Flat sets
Blind sets

Variation is key. The possibilities are endless.


You Betcha' G !

For me, the flat and blind set is without a doubt the most deadly on adult coyotes.

I’ll go out on a limb and say that a good percentage of trappers don't venture far past the hole set when it comes to Wile E.

Learning how to be more effective with a variety of looks as well as knowing when to make a change or adjustment will boost any trapper’s numbers on the line.

It is all about keeping your population of coyotes guessing. Visual variation is just one of many effective ways to accomplish that task.

Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #7569026
04/25/22 07:41 AM
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This coyote hit a string of three flat sets several times before he finally slipped up.

[Linked Image]


Adjustments were made and the contestant was caught.

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Male – Flat Set – MB Fox Urine – Winter Wolf

Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #7570451
04/26/22 07:05 PM
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Here’s a set of sheds that were picked up recently. A lot of points were broken off during the rut.

One main beam measured over 29 inches.The rack will tape out well over 200.

Those are a bunch of good reasons for killing every coyote I can.

[Linked Image]


Some folks say you can’t eat the antlers.

It’s a good thing blackstrap comes with them.

That's just one more reason to trap Wile E.

[Linked Image]

Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #7570532
04/26/22 08:36 PM
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Those look good enough to eat,can't eat antlers,but they sure look good on the wall.

Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #7570756
04/27/22 06:33 AM
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May not can eat antlers, but the money you can make off of them will put more food in the pantry wink

Up here I have decided antlers just dissolve into the ground within about 2 days as we never find many laugh

My focus is on a pair that have been lurking around the back yard, trying to get a chicken dinner

Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #7570785
04/27/22 07:15 AM
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Good morning guys, Tejas I’m going to throw you a curveball today...considering that you and most others use a version of a flat set for adults...basically no holes used, I can only theorize that a hole set might just be your answer for a change up to hit the predators with next season. What say you? Considering that coyotes are born in a series of holes, some their prey that they hunt are born in holes, etc...I just can’t see where a version of a hole set wouldn’t be effective even on the wised up adults...SOME OF THE TIME. Now an olfactory attractor doesn’t have to be used at the set per say but there are a variety of ways to incorporate holes into catching even the older adults. Just my take on this topic

Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #7570799
04/27/22 07:38 AM
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One dirt hole variation that works for the wise guys for me is a shallow trench deal with a prize in the bottom. I make it look like were a fox or a coyote dug up a mouse or vole.


Common sense catches alot of fur..
Pay homage to all you harvest..
Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #7570819
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Gary consider having a longer time frame on your line with good weather/ soil conditions to work with...the different variations of sets that could be made/ tested on coyotes? With these fur prices it may turn into that...population control instead of fur trapping.

Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: MChewk] #7571952
04/28/22 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by MChewk
Good morning guys, Tejas I’m going to throw you a curveball today...considering that you and most others use a version of a flat set for adults...basically no holes used, I can only theorize that a hole set might just be your answer for a change up to hit the predators with next season. What say you? Considering that coyotes are born in a series of holes, some their prey that they hunt are born in holes, etc...I just can’t see where a version of a hole set wouldn’t be effective even on the wised up adults...SOME OF THE TIME. Now an olfactory attractor doesn’t have to be used at the set per say but there are a variety of ways to incorporate holes into catching even the older adults. Just my take on this topic


I see where you are going with this. MChewk. I agree that what’s old could once again be new.

When you take into consideration the versatility and effectiveness of the flat set it’s hard to go back to punching holes.

When you compare the pros and cons of the two I can’t help but wonder why trappers don’t use more flats.

I will give your suggestion an honest try next year after the pressure has been on for a while.


Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #7571966
04/28/22 02:03 PM
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While we are on the subject of hole sets we might as well discuss some of the the different variations and their effectiveness.

What has been your best and worst producing dirt hole set over the years?

Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #7572095
04/28/22 05:21 PM
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My worst producing hole set is the standard open pattern type with one hole. Short trench set with the trap blended and a pile of dirt to the upwind side is the best. Sorta like Seldom's disco set. But is it worth the extra time to dig or drill a hole or trench? smile Another is an elevated poke hole in a clump of grass or a stump. I know what your sayin Mike but this is lake effect country, I seldom get 2 days without rain or snow.

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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #7572111
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In a perfect world Gary...lol
Let me give a for instance...on having more time....back in the late 90s when coyotes were thick here...I remember not be able to find two traps due to deep snow. Season ended so I let the landowner know the situation. This particular field had already produced over 10 coons and possums and 15 coyotes. It was a hot location near a rail road tracks with a nearby creek. A week later snow melted a bit and the farmer called telling me that I had a double on coyotes. 17 coyotes out of a smallish field...how many more could have been caught with 30 - 60 days of additional time. And that was terrible conditions.
I say the longer those traps sit set the better. Throw in soul conditions where you can see tracks and keep traps working and a guy could put a real hurtin’ on the population....until a new group migrates in..lol

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