Re: Tree planting
[Re: AJE]
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04/30/22 01:38 AM
04/30/22 01:38 AM
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Willy Firewood
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Feedinggrounds - well, obviously I know nothing about your market. What you report is wonderful news. I am happy to learn that you are successfully using red pine.
What I reported is accurate here in my market. In all seriousness how many truckloads can I send to you?
To all other red pine growers - thank you for telling me that red pine has value. I agree and have a beautiful red pine forest.
FRAC LIVES MATTER
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Re: Tree planting
[Re: Feedinggrounds]
#7573198
04/30/22 05:56 AM
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Posts: 10,103 WI - Wisconsin
AJE
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I plant black walnuts like a squirrel does. Kick a depression with my heel, drop in the nut with husk, kick duff over it and press in with body weight. Black walnuts need to freeze to crack shell seam to sprout. I have good results with the walnuts. In my life I have never seen so much disease and pests causing tree mortality. Thx for the walnut info. You are right about tree mortality. Invasives are a huge problem around here.
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Re: Tree planting
[Re: Willy Firewood]
#7573200
04/30/22 05:58 AM
04/30/22 05:58 AM
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Posts: 2,786 Northern lower Michigan
Feedinggrounds
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Feedinggrounds - well, obviously I know nothing about your market. What you report is wonderful news. I am happy to learn that you are successfully using red pine.
What I reported is accurate here in my market. In all seriousness how many truckloads can I send to you?
To all other red pine growers - thank you for telling me that red pine has value. I agree and have a beautiful red pine forest. If you can afford fuel to 48661 area code, I will buy all you can send. 5 miles from exit 202 I-75 all class A road, easy in easy out. All asphalt no mud. 12 foot down to 5 inch small end, up to 12 big end. 8 foot is 4 inch small end up to 10 inch big end. Don't tease me now....I can pm my contact info, ca$h waiting. And that is in all seriousness. Scale stick and ticket book waiting...$130 to $150 per cord, size and quality. Do you use slasher or processor, I prefer processor, or tight slasher. limbs suck. If you can find the market down there for bagged wrapped colored, on pallets landscape mulch, or our finished pressure treated fence posts, your truck won't return home empty.
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you're only allowed so many sunrises... I aim to see every one of them!
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Re: Tree planting
[Re: 330-Trapper]
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04/30/22 06:05 AM
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Feedinggrounds
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330 - Our native white cedar is Thuja, not Juniperus, so it’s fine around apples. Although you are far enough south that you could have eastern red cedar which is Juniperus and that will transmit cedar apple rust. Thanks Clark Is white cedar slow or fast growing? Is Tamarac sold as seedlings here? Our planted white cedar seedlings, seem to grow fairly quick till they reach 3 to 5 inch diameter trunk. Its harder to notice growth, but they are just growing differently. Mine are growing in wet foot bog type land. We have lots of Tamarac here, but now that you bring it up have never found seedlings offered. I have some whopper Hemlock along the river. Makes the whitest clean boards, knots small. They nail like Poplar, rarely splitting.
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you're only allowed so many sunrises... I aim to see every one of them!
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Re: Tree planting
[Re: AJE]
#7573608
04/30/22 03:27 PM
04/30/22 03:27 PM
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Posts: 3,889 Ohio, Old fart to some.
ack
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You all better get moving Gramps always said not to plant anything during a month without an R in it.
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The voices in my head may not be real, but they have some good ideas!
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Re: Tree planting
[Re: Willy Firewood]
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04/30/22 04:36 PM
04/30/22 04:36 PM
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Posts: 1,941 east central WI
Dirty D
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EDIT: This is the situation here in my area based upon my experience in this market. Your situation may vary. Red Pine trees are usually not a good variety to plant except for basic soil erosion prevention. They have little value for anything else and no value for lumber. They are good for pulp when transportation is minimal. I have thousands that were planted for erosion control only because they were free. White pine seedlings at the time we’re about 5 cents per tree. Something else would have looked better, lived longer, and created economic value. I see this in my area too. Too many people plant Red and White pines and worse yet some will plant Scotch or Jack Pine. My area grows nice hardwoods, why grow pines? Spruce for that matter too. The value of pines and spruces to wildlife is much poor than Cherry, Beech, Hickory, Walnut and not even close to Oaks. The lumber value is next to nothing. Why anyone would plant Pines and spruces in my area is beyond me but I see it all the time. An worse of all they will plant acres of nothing but the same species.
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Re: Tree planting
[Re: 330-Trapper]
#7573786
04/30/22 08:10 PM
04/30/22 08:10 PM
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Wptourist
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I bought them from the county I live in. They offer seedling in 25 tree packages. I think most counties in WI offer seedling to residents We have a small amount of native Black Cherry growing on our land. We are close to zone 5/4B
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Re: Tree planting
[Re: AJE]
#7573812
04/30/22 08:43 PM
04/30/22 08:43 PM
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Posts: 1,150 Valders, WI
Alex the dog
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Wrapped up planting Friday of 80 trees ordered thru the County last fall. 40 were intended to fill in where ash had died off and harvested this winter. Other 40 were to fill in field in front of house. Planting trees is a spring ritual for me, a way to do something I did with my Dad when he was alive and a way to leave something for my daughter and her future family when I am gone. Dave
Forever in debt to my Father who introduced me to trapping. May I be half the man he was.
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Re: Tree planting
[Re: Dirty D]
#7573925
04/30/22 10:48 PM
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330-Trapper
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EDIT: This is the situation here in my area based upon my experience in this market. Your situation may vary. Red Pine trees are usually not a good variety to plant except for basic soil erosion prevention. They have little value for anything else and no value for lumber. They are good for pulp when transportation is minimal. I have thousands that were planted for erosion control only because they were free. White pine seedlings at the time we’re about 5 cents per tree. Something else would have looked better, lived longer, and created economic value. I see this in my area too. Too many people plant Red and White pines and worse yet some will plant Scotch or Jack Pine. My area grows nice hardwoods, why grow pines? Spruce for that matter too. The value of pines and spruces to wildlife is much poor than Cherry, Beech, Hickory, Walnut and not even close to Oaks. The lumber value is next to nothing. Why anyone would plant Pines and spruces in my area is beyond me but I see it all the time. An worse of all they will plant acres of nothing but the same species. Some people Like their own Christmas Trees ...and to each their own
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Re: Tree planting
[Re: AJE]
#7573974
04/30/22 11:52 PM
04/30/22 11:52 PM
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Willy Firewood
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Feedinggrounds - please PM your contact info. If you have a truck going to Tractor Supply near my area, it can go back with logs.
If you guys can plant trees in proper spacing to minimize ectopic branching and grow with forest characteristics, consider hybrid walnuts. They have two varieties - hybridized for timber or nut production. I planted an area for a customer with a legacy farm. After planting, the had a deer fence built around it. They are on the 5th generation of ownership. If they manage it properly, even reducing expected yield to 25% return it will be extremely valuable. (Not as valuable as the gas and oil being recovered from under the land, but another form of return.)
Are any of you guys involved in the state or federal tree farm systems? How about the federal EQIP forestry program?
In your states is there a reduced property tax rate for forestland? In Ohio, there is full screw the landowner rate, then a reduced commercial forest rate, then a lower reduced agricultural use rate. Once land qualifies for forest land rate, after another 5 years it can qualify for the ag rate, however that is when they usually revoke the lower rate claiming it no longer qualifies.
FRAC LIVES MATTER
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Re: Tree planting
[Re: AJE]
#7573982
05/01/22 12:08 AM
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Never want to go tree planting ever again. Used to do it for a summer job out of high scool in the mosquito, blackfly, horsefly, deerfly and blackbear infested bush in Northern Ontario. Over 2000 trees a day most days. Cutting and splitting them is much more enjoyable than planting them.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: Tree planting
[Re: AJE]
#7573985
05/01/22 12:16 AM
05/01/22 12:16 AM
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Willy Firewood
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Boco - At this point in life, it is very unlikely that I will be doing anything other than fishing in the mosquito, blackfly, horsefly, deerfly or any species of bear infested bush anywhere. Fishing in close proximity to the big brown ones can be quite hazardous. When one moves in on my spot, I very respectfully acknowledge that it is his/her spot.
My dibble (tree planting bar to the uninformed) has not gotten any use for awhile. Using the nice equipment pays better.
FRAC LIVES MATTER
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Re: Tree planting
[Re: Wptourist]
#7579572
05/07/22 11:49 PM
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I bought them from the county I live in. They offer seedling in 25 tree packages.
We have a small amount of native Black Cherry growing on our land. W
That would be awesome to live in a county that offers seedling sales. As far as black cherry, are they good for much? I think I have some young ones on my land, but am not certain that is what they are.
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Re: Tree planting
[Re: AJE]
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05/08/22 05:25 AM
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Feedinggrounds
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So I remembered I have 25 more White Spruce seedlings, got home from mill yesterday, Digging out my big worm bed before tilling my garden and in the cold well pit I had 25 more to plant. At least they're going in damp ground. Those I push my tile spade in, push to the side, use a wood slat to hold open then slide seedling in. My Ash killed by the bugs seem to be regenerating so fast and thick in my wet land I may give up on any more firewood. Cause too much damage to new growth. Did cut some nice long Ash pole bean saplings.
you're only allowed so many sunrises... I aim to see every one of them!
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Re: Tree planting
[Re: AJE]
#7579907
05/08/22 02:12 PM
05/08/22 02:12 PM
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T-Rex
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Finished up planting bare root black walnut, and wild plum.
That was 1990.
Now I am cutting and milling black walnut and grafting wild plum.
Man who mistake shillelagh for fairy wand; see pixie dust, also.
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