Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
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Here are a few set and location photos from the 17-18 season. I was still punching holes and using backing at the time. These three inch hole sets guard opposite sides of a dry creek bed. The set photo is followed by a location pic. Coyotes showed me right out of the gate that the bigger the hole the harder it is to guard. With that in mind I started to crowd the lip as close as I could when using this look. I've found that when you make a set on the side of an embankment it can really alter the way a coyote works the set. This was an attempt to guard the added real estate of the bigger presentation. Under most circumstances I usually make any hole set on flat ground. I would normally be only inches from the edge of the road. Using the bank set me back several yards.
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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
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This set is at a junction that has produced a lot of coyotes. They avoided this offering like the plague when other hole sets in the area were hammering. Big holes were consistently my lowest producer of any of the variations no matter where the set was made. Keep in mind they still caught coyotes; they just didn’t perform as well as other looks.
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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
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04/29/22 09:51 AM
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Here are a few of the more 3 inch hole sets from the same season made on level ground. The attractant list was bait down the hole, lure and urine in the backing, and a little wool for a visual. I think the addition of a visual like wool or hair can really help sell the deal on some coyotes. As with any attractant it should not be overused. These did produce a couple of coyotes, but the set itself was easily defeated. With so much area to protect, side digging was always an issue with the bigger holes. That alone may be why lt has not produced like other sets. I believe most of the catches with this look were younger coyotes.
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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
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04/29/22 10:09 AM
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Big holes like badger holes etc produce the least up here also,like stated earlier harder to keep misses down to guard the hole,making a u shape trench helps,but it's way easier to just make a flat set.Hole's do have there place on a trapline,double punch holes,peep holes or 1 to 2" holes,post hole set but some of these take more effort to make,I also think more hole type sets catch more of the younger coyotes so yes they do work,a dead coyote is a good coyote no matter what set it was caught in!
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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
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This thought might raise some disagreements but I don't feel that holes mean much for food to a coyote. They peek interest but coyotes are hunters and opportunists. I don't feel they expend the energy or effort to dig for something they'll never be able to get to. Sure they may scratch or dig at something they feel is shallow but I don't see them digging up holes ground squirrels, rabbits, or kangaroo rats run in. Coyotes will catch those critters off guard in the weeds or in the open. I agree 100% Silky. The visual of the hole itself is not where the magic lies. If that was the case, every rodent hole in the area would be blown out. I see hundreds of active ground squirrel holes along fence lines where coyotes pass every night and there are zero digs. They don’t dig because they know they can’t get to them on their own. Even with an added visual like wool, hair, or feathers, it still doesn’t have the power to hold a coyote’s attention for very long as a stand-alone. In short, the purpose of the hole is to guard the bait. I discovered early on that a coyote will only dig in earnest if they truly think they can get to the prize.
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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
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05/01/22 11:45 AM
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Appreciate the pictures and information, following closely and plan to apply some of these tactics on an upcoming job this Summer. You Betcha' ! A lot of solid coyote trappers have helped make this thread worth reading. There's some good information to be had for those that keep an open mind and want to up their coyote game. Good luck on the line this summer Squash!
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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
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Tejas good thread ...it allows Trappers to consider a wide variety of conditions and options. My take on successful dirtholes and not so successful...my best luck back when I first started on land was a stake wobble hole with Hawbakers red fox lure in it....caught reds grays coon possum and skunk...no coyotes back then. Found out later that EVERYONE was using standard dirthole dug out with shovel...so my success MIGHT have been due to something different. Later when coyotes showed up in the late 80s early 90s I continued to use my stake wobble hole but added one due to information gained at a Fur Takers convention demo...so double stake hole two different attractors. My problem was my equipment as I was poor and didn’t have much in traps or trap mods. So #2 sq jaw Victor traps or low lever # 1 1/2 coils didn’t hold many of our big coyotes. Held a few and mostly all of the other animals but experienced lots of wrecks. Later, my go to dirt hole was O’G influenced big dirthole with a bigger stronger trap both bait and lure down hole and catch went up and stayed up. Love the big badger holes with loud bait.
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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
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Wonder how many DHs an elder Pa. coyote has seen. And how many trappers he has encountered.
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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
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05/02/22 07:54 AM
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That is a true statement Wright Brothers. In Pa. early on with all the pups out and about D Holes work well. Coyotes get considerable trapping pressure all across the State. Once the weather goes South many call it a day. At that time the air is filled with skunk odor, call lures, food lures, baits of all kinds and various urines.
Then in a few short weeks that new interest trend will slow and in many cases cease considerably depending upon the pressure. I call it the great awakening. It happens yearly. Those coyotes that made it thru so far have a different view of their world, and what they perceive as each week moves along in the season.
Suspicion and caution becomes more evident in their decision making process in how and if they commit to a set.
Those trappers that stick to dirt holes, big patterns and high eye appeal sets say that their lure or bait doesn't work anymore. Not understanding fully what is really taking place. Those that transition to flat sets, trail sets, walk throughs and scent post type sets will continue to connect. The others not so much.
Most don't have access or the opportunities that feed lots and dump stations provide. Those animals are conditioned to grub and compete for food opportunities as a result of the draw these places have provided. Given the vast agricultural and cattle rearing areas some animals will travel many miles to visit these sites. Multiply catches are quite common and expected with these conditions and the basic dirt holes are quite effective due to the opportunity competition between these animals.
You just have to understand what is taking place in your region or on your trapping grounds. Then make your adjustments accordingly. Tejas and others have shared good information which brings to light how different areas and conditions may need to be handled for continued success.
Coyotes are still coyotes, however the conditions under which they are exposed on a regular basis may be vastly different from what we are working with locally. Coyotes are remarkably adaptive animals and they will continue to evolve along the way. We have to do the same if we are to have continued success.
At some point we all will have to learn to live beyond the Dirt Hole when circumstances reveal that is what is needed. If not, I guess as some would say, they are leaving seed for the next year.
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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
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05/02/22 08:58 AM
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That sums it up,great response Bob.
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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
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05/03/22 05:58 AM
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That is a true statement Wright Brothers. In Pa. early on with all the pups out and about D Holes work well. Coyotes get considerable trapping pressure all across the State. Once the weather goes South many call it a day. At that time the air is filled with skunk odor, call lures, food lures, baits of all kinds and various urines.
Then in a few short weeks that new interest trend will slow and in many cases cease considerably depending upon the pressure. I call it the great awakening. It happens yearly. Those coyotes that made it thru so far have a different view of their world, and what they perceive as each week moves along in the season.
Suspicion and caution becomes more evident in their decision making process in how and if they commit to a set.
Those trappers that stick to dirt holes, big patterns and high eye appeal sets say that their lure or bait doesn't work anymore. Not understanding fully what is really taking place. Those that transition to flat sets, walk throughs and scent post type sets will continue to connect. The others not so much.
Most don't have access or the opportunities that feed lots and dump stations provide. Those animals are conditioned to grub and compete for food opportunities as a result of the draw these places have provided. Given the vast agricultural and cattle rearing areas some animals will travel many miles to visit these sites. Multiply catches are quite common and expected with these conditions and the basic dirt holes are quite effective due to the opportunity competition between these animals.
You just have to understand what is taking place in your region or on your trapping grounds. Then make your adjustments accordingly. Tejas and others have shared good information which brings to light how different areas and conditions may need to be handled for continued success.
Coyotes are still coyotes, however the conditions under which they are exposed on a regular basis may be vastly different from what we are working with locally. Coyotes are remarkably adaptive animals and they will continue to evolve along the way. We have to do the same if we are to have continued success.
At some point we all will have to learn to live beyond the Dirt Hole when circumstances reveal that is what is needed. If not, I guess as some would say, they are leaving seed for the next year.
Thanks for your input Mr. Jameson. "Well said" would be an understatement.
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