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Wyoming Hunting. Help keep tags public #7630502 07/19/22 04:58 PM 07/19/22 04:58 PM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 760 The great state of Utah elkantlers OP trapper
elkantlers OP trapper Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 760 The great state of Utah	Long story short... Wyoming is proposing giving 50% of the nonresident hunting permits to those that book with an outfitter/guide. Basically, screwing the regular guy out of opportunity. Public comment has opened up for the next version of the outfitter/landowner drawing on NR licenses. If you can take the time to fill out this survey and tell them that you Oppose Outfitter set aside for Nonresident hunting permits, I would appreciate it. We need to flood the Wildlife task force with opposition to this ridicules bill. https://sites.google.com/wyo.gov/wyomingwildlifetaskforce/home/public-input elkantlers __________________________________________________

Re: Wyoming Hunting. Help keep tags public [Re: elkantlers] #7630516 07/19/22 05:12 PM 07/19/22 05:12 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 398 South Dakota S Staner trapper
Staner trapper S Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 398 South Dakota	Done Badges?? We don't need no stinkin' badges!!!

Re: Wyoming Hunting. Help keep tags public [Re: elkantlers] #7630547 07/19/22 06:05 PM 07/19/22 06:05 PM
Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 17,740 Central Oregon AntiGov trapper
AntiGov trapper Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 17,740 Central Oregon	Those guys that use a guide are shooters , not hunters . Figure it out on your own or go home Just my opinion of course Report a post club - Non member

Re: Wyoming Hunting. Help keep tags public [Re: elkantlers] #7630555 07/19/22 06:09 PM 07/19/22 06:09 PM
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Mark June Unregistered M	Canada did the same thing years ago and I haven't been back since.

Re: Wyoming Hunting. Help keep tags public [Re: elkantlers] #7630576 07/19/22 06:43 PM 07/19/22 06:43 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 5,220 Northern Minnesota BernieB. trapper
BernieB. trapper Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 5,220 Northern Minnesota	What percentage of nonresidents use a guide currently? www.berniesbearcamp.com https://www.youtube.com/user/BowhuntingRoad/about

Re: Wyoming Hunting. Help keep tags public [Re: BernieB.] #7630595 07/19/22 07:12 PM 07/19/22 07:12 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 5,011 MD D DaveP trapper
DaveP trapper D Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 5,011 MD	Originally Posted by BernieB. What percentage of nonresidents use a guide currently? What percentage of total license revenue is provided by NRs? NR tags getting out of hand. I've DIY hunted moose to gators, for both financial AND personal satisfaction reasons. I had less than $1000 in a DIY antelope hunt in WY. Airfare, rental, tag, food, gas, etc Granted it was 15 years ago, so likely good bit more now, but nice that an Average Dave can swing it. Last edited by DaveP; 07/19/22 07:15 PM.

Re: Wyoming Hunting. Help keep tags public [Re: BernieB.] #7630649 07/19/22 08:15 PM 07/19/22 08:15 PM
Joined: Nov 2014 Posts: 1,941 east central WI D Dirty D trapper
Dirty D trapper D Joined: Nov 2014 Posts: 1,941 east central WI	Originally Posted by BernieB. What percentage of nonresidents use a guide currently? this kinda matters. If 1/2 of all NR tags use guides now then whats the difference? only issue I can see is at what point do they say you have to use a guide or not? when you apply or after you get a tag.

Re: Wyoming Hunting. Help keep tags public [Re: Dirty D] #7630654 07/19/22 08:22 PM 07/19/22 08:22 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 5,220 Northern Minnesota BernieB. trapper
BernieB. trapper Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 5,220 Northern Minnesota	Originally Posted by Dirty D Originally Posted by BernieB. What percentage of nonresidents use a guide currently? this kinda matters. If 1/2 of all NR tags use guides now then whats the difference? only issue I can see is at what point do they say you have to use a guide or not? when you apply or after you get a tag. Exactly. Reminds me of a conversation I had recently with a bear hunter in Minnesota who told me there were too many nonresident bear hunters and Minnesota doesn't have a limit on the number of tags being sold to nonresidents. He said he thought only 25% should be dedicated to nonresidents. I asked the DNR bear biologist about it and he told me that less than 20% of the licenses are currently being sold to nonresidents. www.berniesbearcamp.com https://www.youtube.com/user/BowhuntingRoad/about

Re: Wyoming Hunting. Help keep tags public [Re: elkantlers] #7630655 07/19/22 08:23 PM 07/19/22 08:23 PM
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,751 eastern washinghton 7 70sdiver trapper
70sdiver trapper 7 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,751 eastern washinghton	Please spread the word. the way it stands right now you can't hunt any high country without a guide either if your a nonresident.

Re: Wyoming Hunting. Help keep tags public [Re: elkantlers] #7630670 07/19/22 08:41 PM 07/19/22 08:41 PM
Joined: Apr 2022 Posts: 95 Nebraska J Jkme trapper
Jkme trapper J Joined: Apr 2022 Posts: 95 Nebraska	Thanks for the heads-up. I submitted it.

Re: Wyoming Hunting. Help keep tags public [Re: BernieB.] #7630774 07/19/22 11:08 PM 07/19/22 11:08 PM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 760 The great state of Utah elkantlers OP trapper
elkantlers OP trapper Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 760 The great state of Utah	Originally Posted by BernieB. What percentage of nonresidents use a guide currently? I don't really know but being able to use a guide won't go away. If someone draws a tag and wants to use a guide, then more power to him. I just don't like 50% of the tags being only for people who pay a guide to hunt. This will hurt DIY guys. Opposing this bill will just make it an even playing field so to speak. elkantlers __________________________________________________

Re: Wyoming Hunting. Help keep tags public [Re: Staner] #7630775 07/19/22 11:08 PM 07/19/22 11:08 PM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 760 The great state of Utah elkantlers OP trapper
elkantlers OP trapper Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 760 The great state of Utah	Originally Posted by Staner Done Thank you. elkantlers __________________________________________________

Re: Wyoming Hunting. Help keep tags public [Re: Dirty D] #7630778 07/19/22 11:12 PM 07/19/22 11:12 PM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 760 The great state of Utah elkantlers OP trapper
elkantlers OP trapper Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 760 The great state of Utah	Originally Posted by Dirty D Originally Posted by BernieB. What percentage of nonresidents use a guide currently? this kinda matters. If 1/2 of all NR tags use guides now then whats the difference? What if only 10% of the applicants use a guide? Then it will pretty much guarantee the people who use a guide a tag. only issue I can see is at what point do they say you have to use a guide or not? when you apply or after you get a tag. [/color] The way it reads is that you must have contracted with a guide before you apply. This is nothing more than outfitter welfare...[color:#3333FF] elkantlers __________________________________________________

Re: Wyoming Hunting. Help keep tags public [Re: DaveP] #7630779 07/19/22 11:13 PM 07/19/22 11:13 PM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 760 The great state of Utah elkantlers OP trapper
elkantlers OP trapper Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 760 The great state of Utah	Originally Posted by DaveP Originally Posted by BernieB. What percentage of nonresidents use a guide currently? What percentage of total license revenue is provided by NRs? NR tags getting out of hand. I've DIY hunted moose to gators, for both financial AND personal satisfaction reasons. I had less than $1000 in a DIY antelope hunt in WY. Airfare, rental, tag, food, gas, etc Granted it was 15 years ago, so likely good bit more now, but nice that an Average Dave can swing it. Good looking Goat... Sounds like it is about time you made another trip to Wyoming. elkantlers __________________________________________________

Re: Wyoming Hunting. Help keep tags public [Re: elkantlers] #7630788 07/19/22 11:23 PM 07/19/22 11:23 PM
Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 4,846 Nevada N nvwrangler trapper
nvwrangler trapper N Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 4,846 Nevada	15 years ago you could buy antelope tags over the counter in Wy. Now just about every unit taked 4 or more piints to draw a buck tag. Demand is way up I am totally ok with Wy setting a limit on nonresident hunter numbers not ok to take half of the tags and give them to guides to hunt public land. If guides hunt public land then the tags to do so should be awarded in fair and open competition. Same with landowner tags and wilderness rules.

Re: Wyoming Hunting. Help keep tags public [Re: elkantlers] #7630792 07/19/22 11:26 PM 07/19/22 11:26 PM
Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 4,846 Nevada N nvwrangler trapper
nvwrangler trapper N Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 4,846 Nevada	What percentage of total license revenue is provided by NRs? What does it matter those animals belong to the residents of that state, don't like the costs stay home and hunt antelope in your home state.

Re: Wyoming Hunting. Help keep tags public [Re: 70sdiver] #7630832 07/20/22 12:45 AM 07/20/22 12:45 AM
Joined: Feb 2020 Posts: 484 Wyoming wytex trapper
wytex trapper Joined: Feb 2020 Posts: 484 Wyoming	Originally Posted by 70sdiver Please spread the word. the way it stands right now you can't hunt any high country without a guide either if your a nonresident. That is not true in Wyoming. You must have a guide in federal wilderness areas only, and it can be a resident guide that is not an outfitter. It is not good for DIY hunters and residents are not in favor.

Re: Wyoming Hunting. Help keep tags public [Re: elkantlers] #7630835 07/20/22 01:31 AM 07/20/22 01:31 AM
Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 3,041 wyoming southeast D danvee trapper
danvee trapper D Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 3,041 wyoming southeast	Agree Wytex and every year I get a complimentary guide license so I can take non residents family or friends into wilderness to hunt. Outfitters want this to happen just like Montana tried and it will flop totally. No need to worry, however the residents do want less licenses to go to non residents. Our limited resource we want to hunt it. The game and fish in this state makes most of its revenue off hunting and fishing licenses. Very little comes from the legislature, which is good the sportsman of our state dictates what will happen not the politicians. The biggest dollars comes from out of state hunters due to the higher cost of license. Yes the Game and Fish wants more money. The sportsman in our state wants the tags and less hunting pressure, and the outfitters want to make money. Bottom line the sportsman of our state will dictate what happens. For the most part sportsman want the licenses and residents don't need an outfitter, it is not going to happen.

Re: Wyoming Hunting. Help keep tags public [Re: danvee] #7631123 07/20/22 01:53 PM 07/20/22 01:53 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 9,757 Wy Cattrax trapper
Cattrax trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 9,757 Wy	Originally Posted by danvee Agree Wytex and every year I get a complimentary guide license so I can take non residents family or friends into wilderness to hunt. Outfitters want this to happen just like Montana tried and it will flop totally. No need to worry, however the residents do want less licenses to go to non residents. Our limited resource we want to hunt it. The game and fish in this state makes most of its revenue off hunting and fishing licenses. Very little comes from the legislature, which is good the sportsman of our state dictates what will happen not the politicians. The biggest dollars comes from out of state hunters due to the higher cost of license. Yes the Game and Fish wants more money. The sportsman in our state wants the tags and less hunting pressure, and the outfitters want to make money. Bottom line the sportsman of our state will dictate what happens. For the most part sportsman want the licenses and residents don't need an outfitter, it is not going to happen. Just remember, the outfitters and game and fish are in bed together, there was a day the game and fish told outfitters they were not there for guaranteed pay for outfitters, but boy has that changed, game and fish has lost a lot of respect from the outdoorsman in Wyoming, because they want public comments, but have their minds made up before they even ask, so this needs to go down in flames! "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." -- Thomas Jefferson

Re: Wyoming Hunting. Help keep tags public [Re: elkantlers] #7631157 07/20/22 03:09 PM 07/20/22 03:09 PM
Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 3,041 wyoming southeast D danvee trapper
danvee trapper D Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 3,041 wyoming southeast	Cattrax Do you have some facts on that?? Owning a ranch, having been an outfitter I would say the game and fish do what the sportsman and law demands. I would contend land owners the BLM, and Forest Service control the outfitters. If a land owner wont give permission to an outfitter the only place they can hunt is BLM and Forest Service. In most cases there you have to buy out an existing permit holder of their livestock and outfitting gear which is somewhat of a joke mostly blue sky. As far as Im concerned why issue any permits to non residents unless they are undrawn by residents. Like everything Its all about money to the outfitters, motel owners gas stations and restaurants. I live in the state for a reason so I can hunt, fish and trap. I don't mind sharing the left overs even with family its to hard to draw permits.

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