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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: sportsman94] #7637662
07/29/22 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by sportsman94
Tejas, have you tried peat moss? I use polyfill under the pan and then peat moss between the jaws.


I have not S94.

With the distinct smell and color difference I can see where there might be a good chance of getting lots of digging.

It might work out fine just fine, I don’t know for certain.

Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #7637698
07/29/22 12:32 PM
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Meant to add that I go back over with a thin layer of native soil. That helps with the color difference. No comment on the smell. It seems to just help with having the brick of soil you have over yours. May or may not work though. I have to use it for the red clay in our area. Our sandy soils don’t seem to lock up like yours. Will be interested to hear what you come up with that works. Thanks for this thread!

Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #7637980
07/29/22 08:06 PM
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You're Welcome 94.

Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #7638089
07/30/22 01:18 AM
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Yes, thanks. For the thread. Also I tend to run a little lighter pan tension than many on here recommend. Because once you get some frost and ice in your trap that increases the pan tension, and if you already have it heavy you are liable to have animals walking over your traps without setting them off. Not sure if a lighter pan tension would help you out with your soil but it might be worth a try. You'll likely have to deal with a few more smaller nontargets though. We don't have much for coons here and most of the time when I'm trapping the skunks are hibernating, so the nontargets I have to deal with are usually cats, and the big cats are going to set off any trap that would go off with a canine stepping on it.

Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: Bob Jameson] #7638149
07/30/22 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Bob Jameson
I have mixed Vermiculite or Perlite with dirt for bedding the trap level then brush/dust over with the natural cover. I just use that mix for inside and outside the jaws. That prevents the sandy or gumbo from clumping hard like a pancake. It allows a better break up of the cover. I carried a small bucket to mix the local dirt/clay/sand at the site. I used it surgically for the trap bed area only. Didn't seem to have an odor issue or no more diggers then usual due to the foreign material..


Ive heard folks mention Vermiculite/Perlite before.

Isn't it a real light material like bits of Styrofoam?

This sounds like in might be a good option if it doesn't float up out of the bed with a big rain.

How does it do in a downpour Mr. Jameson?

Has anyone else given this material a try?

Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #7638208
07/30/22 08:19 AM
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I only use it mixed with the bedding .media. I don't use it for cover material. The vermiculitel holds nicely in the soil when it gets wet. We get some steady rain, mixed with sleet and snow.

Then it may all melt in a few days type of weather locally. I would try some in a few sets and see how it performs. I use it to keep the soil from compacting hard with certain types of terrain soil.

Vermiculite is grey / silver in color and spongey in texture. It has varied in granular size with regards to different batches I have had in the large bags. It is water proof in itself and used in bedding above ground swimming pools to cushion the liner to reduce the punchure potential. I would float due to its lightweight physical makeup.

I have had some pieces surface but didn't seem to be a problem. Looks like pieces of rock actually when mixed with some soils.

Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #7638704
07/31/22 07:23 AM
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Thanks for the explanation Mr. Jameson.

That is just the answer I was looking for.

I'll will have to experiment with the ratio to see what works right.

I'm guessing somewhere around a three to one mix of native soil to vermiculite might be enough to loosen the soil up a bit.




Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #7638782
07/31/22 09:20 AM
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Vermiculite is used in many potting soil mixes to keep it loose. If memory serves it is some sort of rock that is heated until it pops like popcorn.


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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #7639530
08/01/22 09:13 AM
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I thought some might find this useful.

It seems like ants are a real problem for a lot folks using baited sets during the summer months.

Ortho makes a product called Home Defense that works extremely well for indoor and perimeter applications. It doesn’t seem to have any odor that I can detect.
It’s a clear liquid that comes with a convenient pump sprayer. I’ve been using this stuff around the house for years. Ants hate it. You might give it a try if you have unwanted guests at your sets. It creates a barrier insects don't want to cross. Just spray a circle around the set pattern and that’s it!

A 24 oz. pump spray bottle is $7.

1.3 gallon jug with spray wand runs about 16 bucks.

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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #7639580
08/01/22 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by TEJAS

I thought some might find this useful.

It seems like ants are a real problem for a lot folks using baited sets during the summer months.

Ortho makes a product called Home Defense that works extremely well for indoor and perimeter applications. It doesn’t seem to have any odor that I can detect.
It’s a clear liquid that comes with a convenient pump sprayer. I’ve been using this stuff around the house for years. Ants hate it. You might give it a try if you have unwanted guests at your sets. It creates a barrier insects don't want to cross. Just spray a circle around the set pattern and that’s it!

A 24 oz. pump spray bottle is $7.

1.3 gallon jug with spray wand runs about 16 bucks.

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The active Bifenthrin in that is the one doing the work as it can last several weeks in the soil before degrading. The Cypermethrin is quickly degraded when exposed to soil and sun but persists well in indoor settings.

The concentrates Talstar P, name brand, and Bifen, generic, are 30 and 15 bucks respectively for 16oz bottles that can be mixed to make 44 gallons.

I imagine Permethrin would be similar and will be trying it myself.


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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: warrior] #7639809
08/01/22 05:12 PM
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I use it on my m-44's in warm weather to keep ants from eating bait off of the bait heads. Just spray a ring around the gun about 8-10 inches out from the gun. An old gov't trapper told me about it several years ago


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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #7639996
08/01/22 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by sammy petty
I use it on my m-44's in warm weather to keep ants from eating bait off of the bait heads.

Just spray a ring around the gun about 8-10 inches out from the gun.

An old gov't trapper told me about it several years ago


Thanks for the input Sam.

It’s good to hear you picked that up from an old-time G-Man. That at least lets me know I’m on the right track.

I haven’t seen or heard of this being used before, but I knew how effective and odorless it appears to be.

This could make a real difference on a hot weather coyote line if there isn’t a telltale scent they can pick up on.

Even the folks trapping coon with DP’s could benefit from the ant deterrent aspect.

For those interested, this stuff is available at any local Wal-Mart.

Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #7640005
08/01/22 08:11 PM
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I’ll get some and try it around DP’s and see if I can make some catches first. Coons and possums ain’t no coyote, but we’ll see what happens.

Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: Wanna Be] #7640025
08/01/22 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Wanna Be
I’ll get some and try it around DP’s and see if I can make some catches first. Coons and possums ain’t no coyote, but we’ll see what happens.


This is my thinking as well. Shouldn't be an issue for coon or opossum. Probably not as big an issue on pups or these dumb city coyotes but that one knothead that's been around the block a time or two?

I'll put it to the test this week as I'm setting up a job in the morning. There's pups and a collared mama. Should be interesting.


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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #7640029
08/01/22 08:36 PM
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Your gunning for a collared coyote?

Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #7640068
08/01/22 09:07 PM
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Yup

Project Coyote done collared one near one of my properties. I was called in when they thought the den was on property. Turns out they can't read maps the den was off property.

Now they've moved on property so they got to go.


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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #7640070
08/01/22 09:10 PM
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The thing that irritates me is that our DNR is helping those coyote loving antis.


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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #7640111
08/01/22 10:04 PM
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For those of us not in Georgia, what is Project Coyote? I've killed a collared wolf, and treed a collared lion with dogs, and a bear with ear tags that I assume was once collared. When I was a kid my dad had a coyote he had caught collared and tied up on a chain with the hounds, it wore out the snap and broke it, he wasn't paying attention when he fed the dogs and tossed food in its bowl. Next day when he came out there the food was gone. So he bedded a trap in front of the bowl and had the coyote the next day. A while later it broke the chain again. No luck catching it at the food bowl set, again. wink About a year later the neighbor down the road three or four miles called to apologize to dad for shooting his coyote out in his hay field!

Moral of the story: if you're going to put a dog collar on a coyote, make sure you take the name plate off first!

Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #7640174
08/02/22 03:47 AM
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It's an anti group that preaches coexistence with urban coyotes and goes around the country doing studies on them. They did one in Chicago and now doing one in Atlanta.
Funny thing is they use footholds to catch their study animals.


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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #7640267
08/02/22 07:09 AM
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College collars them here. Their first question always is “Did you release it?” Lol nope.

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