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Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: steeltraps] #7642764
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Originally Posted by steeltraps
Originally Posted by danny clifton
30-40 guys running 150 200 mile lines will need a lot of room

Right need some where SUPER large = 6666 Ranch is 350000 acres or so. King Ranch is almost 1 million. Dont know how big Mescularo is ? 1/2 million acres? Point is - somewherw massive. No limit on traps No team. Be the greatest contest ever = with the most coyotes EVER killed in a contest ! That would be worth it!!!


I could be wrong but getting on an operation like those mentioned and putting together some like that with those rules would be interesting but very unrealistic. But if u could make it happen I say go for it.

I think the hardest part will b finding an organizer for thr event.
I'd be ok with 1000 entry fee but modest pay outs with some going to something like the discretionary fund. I think a Tman contest and the world's biggest and greatest should b geared differently.

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Yes Sir the Apache reservation championship contest ended a few years ago


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Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: danny clifton] #7642770
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Yes Sir. If Boss Paul would let us orginize it here. Give Tman = 5-10 % say 5 or 10000 dollars. Ranch = Or venue gets coyotes caught and same on money. So = do = winner takes all. No trap limit No teams. 5 to 7 days. 20000 or more or whatevers left. Make the money = A life changing event

Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: danny clifton] #7642772
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Yes Sir the Apache reservation championship contest ended a few years ago

Didnt know that. But you get the picture. Some where LARGE and BIG cash pay out !!!!

Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: LT GREY] #7642777
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I'd be willing to help organize possibly but personally would not be intrested in big pay out or unlimited trap. But if we were serious I think we would have to see what the general consensus on here would be as far as the structure. I've seen what big $ has done to fishing and calling contests and personally I'm just not intrested in opening the door to that much drama. If others would want that that's the way it could be set up though.

Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: Yes sir] #7642782
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Originally Posted by Yes sir
I'd be willing to help organize possibly but personally would not be intrested in big pay out or unlimited trap. But if we were serious I think we would have to see what the general consensus on here would be as far as the structure. I've seen what big $ has done to fishing and calling contests and personally I'm just not intrested in opening the door to that much drama. If others would want that that's the way it could be set up though.

OK. I can get the no big pay out. BUT I just dont get the unlimited traps? Most people dont go to a coyote trapping job or out on the line with just a arbitrary # off traps ? Make it - the greatest contest of all. With the most coyotes EVER kill in a single contest ! Think how much good it will would do the landowner !

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So he who has the most is the greatest coyote catcher?
A better contest would be based on how many individuals are in the competition. 100 competitors limited to 10 traps each. That would be more of a Championship.
If the absolute best coyote trapper you could think of only put out 50 and the worst put out 200, who do you think would catch the most? He who has the most sets in the ground.
If you want to declare yourself a true coyote catcher, then limit traps so everything is the same. A blind hog finds an acorn every now and then.

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Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: LT GREY] #7642799
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I'd buy a ticket, to sit in the bleachers. I know I'm not a coyote trapper by any reasonable measure. I'm a problem solver and if solving the problem is scaring them off then I'm cool with that, too.

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Originally Posted by warrior
I'd buy a ticket, to sit in the bleachers. I know I'm not a coyote trapper by any reasonable measure. I'm a problem solver and if solving the problem is scaring them off then I'm cool with that, too.

I show up on a property and a coyote wont be seen for at least 2 months after I leave and definitely not when Im there!

Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: Wanna Be] #7642805
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Originally Posted by Wanna Be
So he who has the most is the greatest coyote catcher?
A better contest would be based on how many individuals are in the competition. 100 competitors limited to 10 traps each. That would be more of a Championship.
If the absolute best coyote trapper you could think of only put out 50 and the worst put out 200, who do you think would catch the most? He who has the most sets in the ground.
If you want to declare yourself a true coyote catcher, then limit traps so everything is the same. A blind hog finds an acorn every now and then.
. You sound like the government. WHY? Put limits on anything? Talking about 300000 to 1 million acres. Big money pay out. Unlimited traps Let a person put out what he wants. Who you want a contest or where someone said = NO dirtholes ?? Geez

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Originally Posted by steeltraps
Originally Posted by Wanna Be
So he who has the most is the greatest coyote catcher?
A better contest would be based on how many individuals are in the competition. 100 competitors limited to 10 traps each. That would be more of a Championship.
If the absolute best coyote trapper you could think of only put out 50 and the worst put out 200, who do you think would catch the most? He who has the most sets in the ground.
If you want to declare yourself a true coyote catcher, then limit traps so everything is the same. A blind hog finds an acorn every now and then.
. You sound like the government. WHY? Put limits on anything? Talking about 300000 to 1 million acres. Big money pay out. Unlimited traps Let a person put out what he wants. Who you want a contest or where someone said = NO dirtholes ?? Geez


Question is who can catch the most based on nothing but pure skill with the only variable being the grey matter in a trapper's head or sheer ability of effort.

The first would require reducing all variables to a minimum such as same number and type of trap, same size parcel/population, etc. Leave nothing but choice of set location, construction and luring to the competitor.

The second could be unlimited and let the man with the most stamina show what he's got.

Either competition would be impressive no doubt.

Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: LT GREY] #7642818
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I understand your view and agree with it if you want to say your very best no hold barred coyote trapper. Particularly if your running the contest in an area of low numbers and high pressure.

But the 2 biggest challenges I see in putting this together is
1 find ground Particularly if it's held on private
2 actually getting enough participants especially if we keep it to Tman

Limited # of traps need less ground and I believe would intrest more guys because some just aren't intrest in trying to get 150 sets in the ground for many reasons. A few being cost (gear, carrying gear and fuel bringing gear and running that much country). Another down side few people are able or intrested in physically putting themselves into that kind of challenge.

Like I said I understand being the ultimate coyote trapper does require hard work lots of equipment and tons of want to but I'm looking more at the logistics of making it happen and gearing it a little more towards skill and enjoyment than ultimately numbers caught. If that makes any sense. But if enough were intrested in unlimited traps and that was the general consensus and you could find the ground I don't see why not.

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I also think have a partner would intrest more people. Split cost and make it more enjoyable. But maybe there would be enough intrest in a no holds barred one man contest to make it work.

Need to start a separate thread to guage intrest and bounce around ideas

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I wonder if a few of the old hands still with us couldn't whoop up on the young bucks with just a handful traps vs an all day long line?

While each has it's merits it's the rare individual that that has both at the same time in life.

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Well guys. I guess this is why it will NEVER work out that we will ever have a Tman coyote catching contest. Everyone wants something different. No one can agree on anything. Here is what I would love to see. = Unlimited traps Unlimited space Large CASH payout No partners! I feel that that the top guys would want to = pony up the cash and go for it ! I am a gambler myself BUT would consider it an honor to compete agains the best of the best of Tman. Just like the idea of = big cash pay out and LOTS of dead coyotes. That being said. IF yall ever got up a contest. Regardless of rules I did or did not like. I would still take off a week or so and play.

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I understand your view and I appreciate your willingness to be flexible

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I understand your view and I appreciate your willingness to be flexible

Thanks. Yes Sir. Thats whats life is all about right? Compromise ? We all trap coyotes alittle different. But. Killimg coyotes = Is killing coyotes! LOL!

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Originally Posted by steeltraps
Well guys. I guess this is why it will NEVER work out that we will ever have a Tman coyote catching contest. Everyone wants something different. No one can agree on anything. Here is what I would love to see. = Unlimited traps Unlimited space Large CASH payout No partners! I feel that that the top guys would want to = pony up the cash and go for it ! I am a gambler myself BUT would consider it an honor to compete agains the best of the best of Tman. Just like the idea of = big cash pay out and LOTS of dead coyotes. That being said. IF yall ever got up a contest. Regardless of rules I did or did not like. I would still take off a week or so and play.


I'd love to see that contest.

I guess what I was comparing would be more like an Ironman triathlon vs International Chess Master Competition, two completely different things. And both equally challenging and fascinating in different ways.

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Guess I misunderstood the assignment, lol. Thought yall wanted it as a competition.

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Warrior. I quess if we are honest with ourself. There will NEVER be a 100 % fair contest. What do you mean? Ever rule = helps someone but hurts another in a competion. How do you mean? A old veteran coyote trapper is help by lets say 12 traps Where someone that has been brought up setting. 2 or 3 traps per set is hurt. IF you pick a high density coyote place ? The bait maker has the advantage over the veteran guy that grew up in low density coyote sheep country. And so on and so on. The this is finding a compromise everyone can live with. And in the end. No one is forced to play. Everyone will have different likes and dislikes in ANY contest. No contest is 100% fair to every single person. But hopefully. One can be put together

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