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Lock up, very important! Don't buy these traps! #7642348
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Right now Iím having amnesia and dťjŗ vu at the same time. I think Iíve forgotten this before.
Re: Lock up, very important! Don't buy these traps! [Re: PAskinner] #7642659
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Interesting video. Thanks for sharing!!


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Re: Lock up, very important! Don't buy these traps! [Re: PAskinner] #7642736
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Who uses offset jawed traps for water or coon trapping? Nobody who knows what they are doing. That the jaws flex open 1/8 inch more wouldnt bother me one bit. Feel free to put an animals foot in each and show difference that makes. No one I know traps screwdrivers.

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Originally Posted by Dean Chapel
Who uses offset jawed traps for water or coon trapping? Nobody who knows what they are doing. That the jaws flex open 1/8 inch more wouldnt bother me one bit. Feel free to put an animals foot in each and show difference that makes. No one I know traps screwdrivers.

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Re: Lock up, very important! Don't buy these traps! [Re: Dean Chapel] #7642842
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Originally Posted by Dean Chapel
Who uses offset jawed traps for water or coon trapping? Nobody who knows what they are doing. That the jaws flex open 1/8 inch more wouldnt bother me one bit. Feel free to put an animals foot in each and show difference that makes. No one I know traps screwdrivers.

I already know they lose animals because I've experienced it.... not just coon, but I want to hold coon because the landowners want them gone...No I don't use them in water generally but a small offset will definitely hold 90 percent of coon if it locks up. It was way more than 1/8 inch on the sleepy creeks. If anyone wants to buy these traps I'll make you a good deal.
If an animal steps in the trap I want it to be there in the morning.
I would have no problem at all using the BMI offsets for example, for coon on land. I've done it and it's not an issue unless you get a toe catch, which you shouldn't if you have any pan tension at all.
I do buy mostly closed jawed traps now, but if there's a good deal on the right used off sets, they will do fine on all land animals.


Right now Iím having amnesia and dťjŗ vu at the same time. I think Iíve forgotten this before.
Re: Lock up, very important! Don't buy these traps! [Re: PAskinner] #7643353
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I canít count the number of coon Iíve held by three or four toes in a #3 Bridget offset.


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Re: Lock up, very important! Don't buy these traps! [Re: PAskinner] #7643420
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Thatís not rocket science! You have a 3/8 of an inch gap so you have more leverage with the screwdriver. Unless only thing legal why would anyone use a trap that lacks that much room from closing completely? You wouldnít close the chicken coop door and leave a brick in it and expect to keep things in or out would you ?

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Originally Posted by jbyrd63
Thatís not rocket science! You have a 3/8 of an inch gap so you have more leverage with the screwdriver. Unless only thing legal why would anyone use a trap that lacks that much room from closing completely? You wouldnít close the chicken coop door and leave a brick in it and expect to keep things in or out would you ?


Because depending on where you live, you might need good feet on coyote.


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Re: Lock up, very important! Don't buy these traps! [Re: PAskinner] #7643556
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So I think your wanting to leave the feet on them when you skin them right? So does the added price increase of the ď oneís ď that the feet get damaged make up for the number you miss or pullout because of the trap design? Never used one like that but ainít no way that trap doesnít increase the chances of a miss or pull out.

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Originally Posted by jbyrd63
Thatís not rocket science! You have a 3/8 of an inch gap so you have more leverage with the screwdriver. Unless only thing legal why would anyone use a trap that lacks that much room from closing completely? You wouldnít close the chicken coop door and leave a brick in it and expect to keep things in or out would you ?

I'm glad someone gets it.


Right now Iím having amnesia and dťjŗ vu at the same time. I think Iíve forgotten this before.
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I think the need for good feet comment is for live market, coyotes, jybyrd.

Re: Lock up, very important! Don't buy these traps! [Re: newhouse114] #7643573
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Originally Posted by newhouse114
I canít count the number of coon Iíve held by three or four toes in a #3 Bridget offset.


I wonder if the jaw design is different on the #3's. All I know is that you could not hold a coon in these #2's by the toes. They have no pressure on anything under 3/8 of an inch wide.


Right now Iím having amnesia and dťjŗ vu at the same time. I think Iíve forgotten this before.
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I have caught lots of coon In my coyote traps. And most of those coon are caught higher on the wrist or pad so It's not a toe issue.


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Re: Lock up, very important! Don't buy these traps! [Re: PAskinner] #7643686
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Originally Posted by PAskinner
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I canít count the number of coon Iíve held by three or four toes in a #3 Bridget offset.


I wonder if the jaw design is different on the #3's. All I know is that you could not hold a coon in these #2's by the toes. They have no pressure on anything under 3/8 of an inch wide.



Those #3 Bridgers have about 3/16 gap when closed and they do not spread apart once locked up.


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Re: Lock up, very important! Don't buy these traps! [Re: jbyrd63] #7643688
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Originally Posted by jbyrd63
So I think your wanting to leave the feet on them when you skin them right? So does the added price increase of the ď oneís ď that the feet get damaged make up for the number you miss or pullout because of the trap design? Never used one like that but ainít no way that trap doesnít increase the chances of a miss or pull out.


NO! Live pens require good feet, any damage is a no sale.






Re: Lock up, very important! Don't buy these traps! [Re: PAskinner] #7643696
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I wouldn't use those traps either for coon Closed jaw for me. Not a good comparison with a T handled screw driver in my opinion.

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When there's a gap between the sides of the levers and the sides Jaws when the trap is closed, you'll have some movement with the screwdriver test. If the levers open with the screwdriver test then that's a problem. I've held hundreds of coons in 3/16th offsets. But not 1/4...


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Re: Lock up, very important! Don't buy these traps! [Re: PAskinner] #7643716
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I donít understand the reasoning for your video I guess. Of course you are going to lose a few coon in an off set trap, wrong tool for the job. Same as saying you may lose a mountain lion in a #1 jump, I added a bunch of offset MB 550ís just to use in areas on my coyote line that are prone to raccoons. I bought them a few years ago just so that I donít have to deal with as many coon catches, I still hold any that are caught behind the wrist and big boars that are pad caught. The marginal caught ones are not there for me to deal with. Reset and away I go, Iím not wasting my time for coon that are not profitable. You mentioned water, I donít know anyone personally that targets numbers of coon, that uses off set traps of any make. If and when prices return to workable point, Iíll be back to trapping them on my line, til then I will just work the ones that my friends and permissions need gone.


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It's not the offset, (for the second time) and it's not just about coon. If a person can't see the problem with no force holding anything under 3/8 of an inch, I'm not going to argue about it.
Why anyone wants to practice catch and release trapping I can't imagine but it's your loss, not mine.


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I used to trap alot in pheasant dog sensitive areas and used many sleepy creek 1 3/4 traps targeting coyotes. Those little traps caught and held a ton of coyotes and never let a coon go either. front or back foot catch. They were not my first choice of traps but it wasnt because they didnt hold what was in them.

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