Re: My elderberry project
[Re: KeithC]
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08/25/22 01:18 PM
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Wow! Thats cool! For the last few years, I have been cutting off pieces of elderberry, from 1 and 2 year old wood growth, with 3 leaf nodes. I've been cutting them when the leaves are fairly well budded to fully open, but small. I make the lowest cut at an around 45 degree angle and the top cut flat. I push the cuttings into soil with the middle node just slightly below the surface. The cuttings put out shoots from both the highest node and the one just below the dirt. No rooting hormone is needed. Usually 100% of the cuttings will root. Besides keeping the dirt fairly moist, they receive no other care.
This year, I stuck 2, 2 leaf node cuttings in with the top node just barely above the ground. They out performed in growth the few 3 node cuttings I planted this year, by a lot. The difference could have been the soil I put them in, which had a lot of rabbit manure and coffee grounds, but next year I am going to try planting a lot of 2 leaf node cuttings.
The cuttings will flower and fruit, after flowering, their first year, if you don't remove the flowers. They grow better if you remove the flowers.
My main bush showed up by a down spout in 2012 or 2013. I recognized it as elderberry and decided to leave it. I ended up mowing it once and one of the dogs or one of us broke it off, at least twice, but it kept growing back. It's now roughly 14' by 16'. It gets around 60 pounds of fruited heads every year. I have sent out a few hundred clones of it and sold and given away a couple hundred rooted cuttings of it. It appears to be a naturally superior variety to the rest of the wild elderberry bushes in my area.
Beaverpeeler, Carl, donated cuttings from her to the National Germplasm Depository in Corvalis, Oregon, where they now grow her. I got to name my variety at the depository. i named my elderberry bush Remembrance after the elderberry dryad in the Hans Christian Anderson story, "The Little Elder Mother".
Keith Wow, that's cool! Do you figure I will fair as well with just regular wild cuttings or should I just try to order some?
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Re: My elderberry project
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08/25/22 01:33 PM
08/25/22 01:33 PM
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Do you figure I will fair as well with just regular wild cuttings or should I just try to order some? The wild cuttings will very likely root just as easily. They may or may not be as productive as some of the named varieties. I would take cuttings from the most productive bushes you find. If you want some cuttings from Remembrance, I'll give you some for free in the Spring, if you just pay the shipping. A fair number of guys on Trapperman are growing cuttings from her now. Keith
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Re: My elderberry project
[Re: beaverpeeler]
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06/13/24 10:23 PM
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Keith, if you happen to look at this old thread again I'm currently at the River Hills Elderberry Conference in Columbia, Mo. Very interesting day of presentations on black elderberries. There is a gal doing some elderberry breeding work with a group called the "Savanna Institute" and she has heard of your cultivar "Remembrance" and would like to add it to her collection for potential breeding stock. Any chance you could help her out with a plant or two?
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Re: My elderberry project
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06/13/24 11:02 PM
06/13/24 11:02 PM
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Carl, please give the woman with the Savanna Institute my contact information.
I wish I could get off the farm long enough to go the conference.
I believe Remembrance is being grown in 37 states now. I shipped out a great many cuttings and sold a lot of rooted clones at Quailcon last year, to people from all over the US. I have not heard back from many people, but she seems to do particularly well in Northern states like Wisconsin and Minnesota. They get much quicker growth there than here where Remembrance originated.
I sent 6 rooted cuttings of Remembrance to Dan Hartmann the owner of Hartmann's Plant Company a few weeks ago. If it tests well, he may offer virus free clones in the future, with my name as the discoverer.
I know you're not fond of mulberry, thinking that it has the sugar, but lacks the interesting flavonoids. I have around 400 mulberry trees on my farm. I limped around and tried most of them this year, that were bearing. I have found 4 trees I really like the flavor of, with one clear winner of the 4. If you want, I'll send you some mulberry cuttings, that I think you may be pleasantly surprised by the flavor of. Of course location, soil type and rainfall can cause variation in the same tree's produce.
I plan on sampling and seeing how much fruit the local and not so local, wild elderberry bushes grow this year. There's some short, around 4' high, very prolific looking, elderberry bushes, I am keeping an eye on.
I hope you have fun, learn and make some great contacts at the conference.
Keith
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Re: My elderberry project
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06/13/24 11:59 PM
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Keith, if you don't mind PM me again your contact info and I'll give that to her tomorrow.
BTW, I am having a blast. Learning lots of stuff about elderberries from the experts and other growers. One particularly interesting presentation was done on a double blind study showing drinking three table spoons of elderberry juice per day was tamping down inflammation of folks suffering from mild cognitive decline. Inflammation is thought to be a root cause of mental decline.
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