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California to Ban Natural Gas Heaters and Furnaces #7678592
09/25/22 10:58 AM
09/25/22 10:58 AM
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Fredonia, PA.
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What a bunch of nitwits. You would probably get executed for having a wood burning stove.


California to Ban Natural Gas Heaters and Furnaces by 2030

The California Air Resources Board (CARB) voted unanimously last week to pass a plan to ban natural gas heaters and furnaces by 2030, ostensibly to reduce smog to meet federal ozone standards, and to lower greenhouse gas emissions.

The plan, which was adopted unanimously by the board, raises questions about how the state’s power grid will handle new demand from electric space heaters in the winter. California homes are generally less insulated than homes in states with colder climates, meaning that the use of space heaters is popular when temperatures dip at night in winter months. The interior regions of the state, which are poorer than the coastal regions of the state, would be more affected by the new standard.

The plan states that CARB will achieve its goal through “meaningful engagement” with residents on heaters and furnaces:

Through meaningful engagement with communities and the process outlined below, CARB would adopt a statewide zero-emission standard which would have criteria pollutant benefits as a key result along with GHG reductions. Beginning in 2030, 100 percent of sales of new space heaters and water heaters would need to comply with the emission standard. CARB would design any such standard in collaboration with energy and building code regulators, and with air districts, to ensure it was consistent with all state and local efforts, and would work carefully with communities to consider any housing cost or affordability impacts, recognizing that reducing emissions from space and water heaters can generate health benefits and cost-savings with properly designed standards. CARB understands that this measure needs to be part of a suite of equity-promoting and complementary building decarbonization policies deeply informed by public process that include scaling back natural gas infrastructure, expanding construction of zero-emission buildings, and building a sustainable market by increasing affordability and accessibility through expanding incentive programs, ensuring utility rates are supportive of electrification, developing the workforce, and increasing consumer education.



This measure would not mandate retrofits in existing buildings, but some buildings would require retrofits to be able to use the new technology that this measure would require. Beginning in 2030, 100 percent of new space and water heaters (for either new construction or replacement of burned-out equipment in existing buildings) sold in California would need to meet the zero-emission standard. It is expected that this regulation would rely heavily on heat pump technologies currently being sold to electrify new and existing homes. In addition to the development process for the Proposed 2022 State SIP Strategy, the measure as proposed by staff or adopted by the Board will be subject to a full public process.

The idea that electric heaters would be “zero emissions” does not take into account how electricity is generated. Currently, renewable energy sources account for about one-third of California’s power supply; natural gas accounts for 40%.

The Hill adds: “California’s Public Utilities Commission also eliminated subsidies for new natural gas hookups last week, marking the first state to do so.” While touted as a way to lower emissions and reduce utility bills, the fundamental question of how to heat homes and provide fuel for cooking remains an open one in a state that has struggled to provide electricity to residents in periods of high demand.

Separately, Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) signed 40 separate climate bills earlier this month.

Source


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Re: California to Ban Natural Gas Heaters and Furnaces [Re: Finster] #7678621
09/25/22 11:44 AM
09/25/22 11:44 AM
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alabama
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Saw on news. Diesel trucks to be ban on high ways in future in Nazifornia ?

Re: California to Ban Natural Gas Heaters and Furnaces [Re: Finster] #7678623
09/25/22 11:52 AM
09/25/22 11:52 AM
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Tennessee
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Tennessee
They are out of their tiny little minds ..... I guess they are keeping the place warm with all those forest fires they have due to their outstanding forestry management programs. Ya just can't fix stupid


Let's go Brandon

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Re: California to Ban Natural Gas Heaters and Furnaces [Re: Finster] #7678625
09/25/22 11:57 AM
09/25/22 11:57 AM
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North East Kansas
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laugh

they lead the way....


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Re: California to Ban Natural Gas Heaters and Furnaces [Re: Scuba1] #7678633
09/25/22 12:15 PM
09/25/22 12:15 PM
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Montana ,Rocky Mtns.
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Originally Posted by Scuba1
They are out of their tiny little minds ..... I guess they are keeping the place warm with all those forest fires they have due to their outstanding forestry management programs. Ya just can't fix stupid



I was talking of that exact subject a few days ago with the Hot Shot team management directors . The controlled burns they are managing now near me are doing a fantastic job of clearing the forest floor. Grow back will be amazing. The conifers arent even catching, the needles are still on the boughs in most areas.

They all , every time, shake their heads at the mega fires in CA, and to a person, says it's all their own fault for letting the fuel build up to those fires. Nothing to so with " climate change".

From experts I've met, from all over the country, including the forestry and fire directors locally .

CA is loosing a plethora people who have lived there and pay taxes. And many are not liberals.

Re: California to Ban Natural Gas Heaters and Furnaces [Re: Finster] #7678639
09/25/22 12:29 PM
09/25/22 12:29 PM
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Sharon even the few "conservatives" I have met fron California tend to be quite um.. California/ out of touch on a lot of things.

Re: California to Ban Natural Gas Heaters and Furnaces [Re: Finster] #7678643
09/25/22 12:37 PM
09/25/22 12:37 PM
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North East Kansas
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they leave cali and move on, destroying everything just like locusts.


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Re: California to Ban Natural Gas Heaters and Furnaces [Re: Finster] #7678645
09/25/22 12:43 PM
09/25/22 12:43 PM
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Montana ,Rocky Mtns.
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P.F., sad, but doesn't surprise me.

Depending on where they move, they will have the opportunity to be educated in a crash course in a mighty way , if they allow the updated facts in education from the locals to learn from.

Re: California to Ban Natural Gas Heaters and Furnaces [Re: Finster] #7678647
09/25/22 12:45 PM
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North East Kansas
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They destroyed Colorado....


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Re: California to Ban Natural Gas Heaters and Furnaces [Re: Finster] #7678649
09/25/22 01:01 PM
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I'd say ban California

Re: California to Ban Natural Gas Heaters and Furnaces [Re: Finster] #7678651
09/25/22 01:06 PM
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West Central MN
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I would ask how stupid can you get but I'm afraid they might take it as a goal.


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Re: California to Ban Natural Gas Heaters and Furnaces [Re: Finster] #7678660
09/25/22 01:23 PM
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i wish those dumb arses out there would just ban air and be done with it! They are so fond of banning everything, they could just choke themselves and be rid of them! How can people be that ignorant?


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Re: California to Ban Natural Gas Heaters and Furnaces [Re: Finster] #7678682
09/25/22 01:59 PM
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Liberal Californians just need to step up their mandatory, assisted suicide program and make the world the better place they want, with their absence.

Keith

Re: California to Ban Natural Gas Heaters and Furnaces [Re: Finster] #7678693
09/25/22 02:19 PM
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Hopefully the big one hits and California breaks off into the ocean

Re: California to Ban Natural Gas Heaters and Furnaces [Re: Finster] #7678803
09/25/22 04:57 PM
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They must get plumb drunk on stupidity out there.


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