Re: rural life today
[Re: danny clifton]
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09/26/22 01:31 PM
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Certainly counties (boroughs), at least ours does, promotes development in rural areas. So does the State with money. I guess you could consider this a planned destruction. Counties make additional tax revenue with development.
Who is John Galt?
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Re: rural life today
[Re: Kyle Krebs]
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09/26/22 01:55 PM
09/26/22 01:55 PM
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Government subsidies are available to all farms regardless of size. Infact they are capped so big operation don't get paid on every acre. I don't agree with them but they are a fact of business. I know you guys think I'm just a crazy kid and you might be right but we actually do sell raw milk( cow shares in ND) beef and garden produce off it place direct. We also have a small pumpkin patch every fall. ( Sold over 5000 dollars in pumpkin last weekend) I don't agree with the regulations but again play by rules or change them. Unlike most of you I have had very long talks with ND ag inspector about these very topics. He doesn't like me! I have talked to congressman trying to get laws changed ( it's not easy) and this is at local level not federal. Rural America under attack? Maybe but ask yourself why some of these regulations are in place to start with. Alot are 50 plus years old and need to be changed. I take pride inwhat I sell and we have very good customers. My point is you can't just blame it on government conspiracy. Probably the biggest threat to agriculture is people buying up land that have no intention of using it for agriculture. And you hit the nail on the head with alot of comments on land getting divided up sold off to highest bidder ECT. Good old American greed!! But don't blame it on big farms or little farms or government conspiracy. We are all to blame one way or another. Raw milk laws vary by state. We used to be able to sell it as pet milk not for humans but they made that illegal a few years back. I think they also made shares more difficult or illegal also . I'm in Indiana. I can't sell farm processed beef or pork that has not been inspected but I can sell up to 20k meat chickens. 20,001 they must be inspected. Also that's sold from the farm only. I can't sell then to stores. Ground closer to town will be split and lotted up most likely. Ground actually hours out is getting bought up by the mega rich(think Gates) It's building up around me and will only get worse. It bitter sweet. I need to be close to people to direct market and add agratourism to the income stream so the build up is good for business. More people to bring the kids and feed baby goats and buy from the farm stand , more photographers to brink clients out to use the farm for shooting locations, and it's easier for those that want to connect where their food comes from and feel like our farm is infact their farm making very loyal customers to come out and get some dirt under their nails. Educational programs can make some good income as well. Play by the rules? Do you feel the same about all laws like say gun restrictions?
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Re: rural life today
[Re: danny clifton]
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09/26/22 02:20 PM
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Last year we put in a larger pumpkin patch yet it was still very small maybe 1/4 acre as an starter experiment. Talk about Vining. They looked great went to start harvesting a few and discovered groundhog had taken an interest in the patch. Infact moving into the middle of it. They sampled almost everyone of the pumpkins. Just a sampling from each. Two gouges where they raked their teeth down the side. I think we had 6 that were not blemished.
A 220 and 160 rbg took care of 3 groundhogs and one skunk. Sunflowers went in the same area this year. Folks came out to take family portraits. Paid by the half hour.
There are tons of ways to generate income from farming but for the small guy it won't happen with traditional farming.
Anyone interested in small scale farming should check out Poly Facee Farms in Swoops Virginia. That's Joal Salatins. He has a lot of great books and interesting methods that will get you thinking.
I met him twice. Once he was the key note speaker at the mother earth news conference in Topeka Kansas and the primary reason I went . After it was over when I came out of the bathroom with the kids he was standing by the exit waiting for something by himself. He talked to us like old friend for 40 min until the venue kicked us out.
We Also made a trip to his farm for one of his farm tours. I wanted to see all the things he does in his books in person. It was a great trip and once again he proved how genuine and humble he is and it's so apparent how intelligent the man is.
Last edited by Providence Farm; 09/26/22 10:47 PM. Reason: Correct spelling and typos. Didn't want people thinking conman hacked my account.
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Re: rural life today
[Re: danny clifton]
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09/26/22 02:34 PM
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How true about all of this. The family farm is becoming a thing of the past. Across the pond from me is a corporate farm that milks 1700 cows. They have Latino laborers that they provide housing on site for. They have liquid manure pits. On some windy days the smell is awful.
We have so many deer around my area because most of the hunters are trophy hunters. They don't want to shoot for meat, only looking for something to put on the wall.
Funny how drinking 8 cups of water a day seems like a lot, but 8 beers in 3 hours goes down like a fat kid on a see-saw.
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Re: rural life today
[Re: danny clifton]
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09/26/22 06:40 PM
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Food is NOT cheaper. Your just buying it with after tax dollars. Your taxs are paying for it. Its only cheaper if you choose to not work and live in section 8 housing with free health care, food stamps, cash assistance. Just knock your girl friend up every few years. After she hits menopause and your youngest turns 18 sign up for SSI so nothing changes.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: rural life today
[Re: danny clifton]
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09/26/22 07:06 PM
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Food is NOT cheaper. Your just buying it with after tax dollars. Your taxs are paying for it. Its only cheaper if you choose to not work and live in section 8 housing with free health care, food stamps, cash assistance. Just knock your girl friend up every few years. After she hits menopause and your youngest turns 18 sign up for SSI so nothing changes. Only city people would behave in such a fashion. ![smile smile](/forum/images/graemlins/default/smile.gif)
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Re: rural life today
[Re: danny clifton]
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09/26/22 09:36 PM
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Our county went years in the late 80’s & 90’s with no farm kids moving back. That has changed since but still not enough to keep up with deaths of older farmers and folks going broke, so we continue to grow year after year. We work daylight until dark and plenty of the time earlier than daylight to after dark. The grind goes on and we like other farmers feed the masses.
Everything the left touches it destroys
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