Re: More Info from GFW
[Re: Swamp Wolf]
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10/14/22 04:34 PM
10/14/22 04:34 PM
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danny clifton
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"Grumpy Old Man"
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I can find beaver for pay jobs
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: More Info from GFW
[Re: Swamp Wolf]
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10/14/22 05:20 PM
10/14/22 05:20 PM
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danny clifton
"Grumpy Old Man"
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"Grumpy Old Man"
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Quit watching disney movies Matt they have bent your mind
Last edited by danny clifton; 10/14/22 07:55 PM.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: More Info from GFW
[Re: Swamp Wolf]
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10/14/22 06:08 PM
10/14/22 06:08 PM
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Catch22
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I am perplexed as to why this happens ever year. I guess I understand it from the youngins and ones like MattLA who didn't experience the boom or have a lefty view of things. In my opinion, we'll probably never see another boom, we are on our way out, exit stage left.
If you can get payed nuisance trapping, plus a small amount for the furs, then decide if it's worth your time skinning. If not, then don't do it. I don't trap for a check, those days are gone. I trap because I love it and more important, to manage apex predators. Our Turkey, Squirrel, Rabbit, etc, populations are plummeting on State ground which is all I can hunt now. If you don't want to basically give your fur away, at the very least, manage things out there so we maintain.
I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
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Re: More Info from GFW
[Re: Swamp Wolf]
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10/14/22 07:57 PM
10/14/22 07:57 PM
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danny clifton
"Grumpy Old Man"
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"Grumpy Old Man"
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I will do some trapping Catch22. I will pelt cats and get my bride to cook some beaver stew. May BBQ a coon. But I see no reason to let somebody else profit from my efforts if I dont profit.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: More Info from GFW
[Re: danny clifton]
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10/14/22 08:08 PM
10/14/22 08:08 PM
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Catch22
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I will do some trapping Catch22. I will pelt cats and get my bride to cook some beaver stew. May BBQ a coon. But I see no reason to let somebody else profit from my efforts if I dont profit. I think that's fair Danny. BBQ coon sounds pretty good too! I don't care about the carpet baggers either, I just want to do my part to ensure huntable, trappable populations for the kids coming up.
I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
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Re: More Info from GFW
[Re: Dirt]
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10/14/22 08:15 PM
10/14/22 08:15 PM
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HobbieTrapper
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He is making money. I will toss them before i let someone else make money off a commodity I am going to lose money on Maybe somebody will give you a free skinning machine and some lures so your cost to produce is lower and you can stay in the trapping business? Love it! lol
-Goofy-
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Re: More Info from GFW
[Re: Swamp Wolf]
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10/14/22 08:18 PM
10/14/22 08:18 PM
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Posts: 12,650 South Ga - Almost Florida
Swamp Wolf
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Couldn't afford to trap on a large scale down here in the South except for pay jobs for predators and beaver work.
With 24 hrs check laws it is a losing deal unless you are being paid. Fuel is gonna be very expensive this time around.
The saleable pelts add a little more to the wallet. I will keep every fox, every bcat, every otter, and every beaver. All else will be properly disposed of. I will put up the foxes and cats. Thank goodness I can sell the otter and beaver skint and frozen as that removes that extra labor.
Thank God For Your Blessings! Never Half-Arse Anything!
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Re: More Info from GFW
[Re: Swamp Wolf]
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10/14/22 08:46 PM
10/14/22 08:46 PM
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The Count
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If i can’t make money on my fur why should I let someone else make money on it So they can stay in business so there will be someone to sell furs to if a market ever does develope. Selling Ata loss, lessens the loss. Don't trap them if you're in it for the money.
I'm not in it for the money, but I'm certainly not selling my furs to anyone just to keep them in business, especially for the sake of keeping them around if the market bounces back. Maybe I misunderstood you, but why would any trapper do that? I didn't think it was so hard to decipher what I meant. I'm saying if you are going to trap, you may as well sell what you catch even if it doesn't cover all your expenses it will cover a few of them and in the process you may also be helping out someone you may need to help you out in the future by buying your furs, maybe even pay more for your loyalty.... but if you are trapping furs solely the purpose of making money, you shouldn't bother trapping at all because making a profit in this market selling hides green or put up, just ain't happening.
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Re: More Info from GFW
[Re: MattLA]
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10/14/22 10:22 PM
10/14/22 10:22 PM
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loosanarrow
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Just completely disagree with wasting an animal regardless of money at all. Don't trap if you aren't gonna use up the entire animal or later. It's that type of stuff that has gotten a majority of people against trapping in the first place. if $20 for a beaver pelt is what the market will bear this year, you either take it, hold on to your fur for the future, or don't trap. If the beaver is eating your orchard or flooding your crops or putting your mower headlights pointing straight up, you would not feel that way. Im getting paid to solve problems that to some extent occur more often due to low fur prices. I am not wasting an animal, I am solving a problem. Once I do that, I am willing salvage resources if I can be fairly compensated for my time to do that. For me, $20 - even a 20$ average, does not equate to a fair wage. I am not upset at what he is paying, in fact I appreciate the offer. But I will pass. If you do it just for fun, by all means do what feels right for you. Clearly you don’t kill beavers for the same reason I do, but we do both enjoy trapping. I also disagree with the practice of wasting the life of an animal. I can show you a lot of people with dry farmground, living trees, and homes that arent flooded who would say without hesitation that it was not a waste. Ditto for your near sighted comment about not trapping if you aren’t going to use the entire animal. Ever had a mouse in your home? A mink killing chickens? The list hoes on and on, and contrary to your other comment about “that kind of stuff” getting most people against trapping, I find the opposite around here - that is to say more people accept and appreciate me as a solver of problems caused by wild animals than would accept and appreciate me as a trapper who kills for fur. How about “if that is what the market will bear”? Well, again, maybe beaver costs more to produce than what the market will bear. So I won’t do that. No hard feelings, no worries about what you are willing to do, but if they want to make money by making hats with my beavers, I have to make money also.
Last edited by loosanarrow; 10/14/22 10:32 PM.
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Re: More Info from GFW
[Re: Swamp Wolf]
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10/15/22 05:25 AM
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Turtledale
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I still have the same issue with these type of threads We don't discuss dispatch of animals on this site, but we continue to have 3 page discussions that turn into throwing animals we catch in the ditch. This to me seems to give more fodder to the antis than dispatch threads would. IMHO
NYSTA, NTA, FTA, life member Erie county trappers assn.,life member Catt.county trappers
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Re: More Info from GFW
[Re: loosanarrow]
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10/15/22 06:28 AM
10/15/22 06:28 AM
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MattLA
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trapper
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Just completely disagree with wasting an animal regardless of money at all. Don't trap if you aren't gonna use up the entire animal or later. It's that type of stuff that has gotten a majority of people against trapping in the first place. if $20 for a beaver pelt is what the market will bear this year, you either take it, hold on to your fur for the future, or don't trap. If the beaver is eating your orchard or flooding your crops or putting your mower headlights pointing straight up, you would not feel that way. Im getting paid to solve problems that to some extent occur more often due to low fur prices. I am not wasting an animal, I am solving a problem. Once I do that, I am willing salvage resources if I can be fairly compensated for my time to do that. For me, $20 - even a 20$ average, does not equate to a fair wage. I am not upset at what he is paying, in fact I appreciate the offer. But I will pass. If you do it just for fun, by all means do what feels right for you. Clearly you don’t kill beavers for the same reason I do, but we do both enjoy trapping. I also disagree with the practice of wasting the life of an animal. I can show you a lot of people with dry farmground, living trees, and homes that arent flooded who would say without hesitation that it was not a waste. Ditto for your near sighted comment about not trapping if you aren’t going to use the entire animal. Ever had a mouse in your home? A mink killing chickens? The list hoes on and on, and contrary to your other comment about “that kind of stuff” getting most people against trapping, I find the opposite around here - that is to say more people accept and appreciate me as a solver of problems caused by wild animals than would accept and appreciate me as a trapper who kills for fur. How about “if that is what the market will bear”? Well, again, maybe beaver costs more to produce than what the market will bear. So I won’t do that. No hard feelings, no worries about what you are willing to do, but if they want to make money by making hats with my beavers, I have to make money also. You are wasting the animal if you just throw it in the pit, especially a keystone species like a beaver that impacts the entire ecology of a region. You are trying to use two different logic streams to justify you wasting an animal simply because you are being too lazy to treat the animal with even the smallest amount of dignity and respect. If a beaver comes into your house and starts chewing your 2x4s, then we can compare it to a mouse. I think the entire population of anti trappers, trappers and people who are in the middle would generally agree that if you are going to kill something you need to do what you can to ensure the meat doesn't go to waste, especially something as great as a beaver. I mean in GA we used to take any animals, no matter what it was to our "poor section" of the county, they would eat anything and thank the (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) out of us. There are lots of NFL players that came from GA that grew up eating a variety of animal meat precisely for that situation you are talking about. You could ask around for somebody who wants to more or less learn, and pay them in beaver meat and fur. You could call the Sheriff and ask if there are any really poor families that have food problems and explain the beaver situation. Even ripping the hide off, pulling the castors out and then chucking the body is far better than just saying to (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) with the entire animal, in the pit you go! I will offer you a challenge, but I doubt you will take me up on it. Lets do a public survey off this website, I will get a friend to promote it to the masses on the internet, and we will ask the question of whats more acceptable. Trapping, Killing the Beavers from their natural habitat and then just tossing the entire body into a pit because there wasn't enough money to be made. OR Trapping, Killing the Beavers from their natural habitat and using all of the parts of the beaver, fur, meat, castor, body fluids, and finally the bones for tools. Deal?
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Re: More Info from GFW
[Re: MattLA]
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10/15/22 06:59 AM
10/15/22 06:59 AM
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Longbeard12
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I dont think this a good idea. Lets just be done.
Last edited by Longbeard12; 10/15/22 07:01 AM.
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Re: More Info from GFW
[Re: Longbeard12]
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10/15/22 07:08 AM
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trapdog1
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I dont think this a good idea. Lets just be done.
Yup.
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