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Re: psilocybin to be legal [Re: danny clifton] #7708477
11/04/22 10:33 AM
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You are correct yes sir. But the part I left out is once thay are all hooked in their routine they all get a good heavy dose of laced with some extra Fentanyl.

Re: psilocybin to be legal [Re: yotetrapper30] #7708479
11/04/22 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
Originally Posted by warrior
Micro dosing is the principle behind almost all medical drugs as most will kill you or cause harm if taken in large doses, just like shrooms or other recreational drugs.

So your point is.


My point is, isn't it better to to take a small dose of a natural substance than a chemical one? Those that are using psilocybin to treat depression are only taking several doses a week, versus several doses a day, also.

IF psilocybin was being prescribed and used by the medical community people wouldn't be having to use it illicitly. BUT where is the benefit in that for Big Pharma? A strong anti-depressant drug that can be found for free in cow pastures will always be opposed by the companies that stand to lose money from it's use.


Natural isn't necessarily better. Arsenic can be found in nature in pure crystalline form. Water is natural yet almost all surface water can give you the trots.

My point being self medicating with unstudied raw materials is dangerous.

Personally I have no issue whatsoever with personal choice, provided it does not harm others or degrade one's responsibility to others. Like drunkenness, feel free to drink but when you are falling down drunk in public or behind the wheel or not providing for your family then society needs to deal with it.

Also alcohol is required to be safe to drink, no wood alcohol allowed.

Now that said, I totally agree Big Pharma/USDA/FDA is an unholy monopoly of a marriage of oligarchs the same as everything else in DC.

JMO, the pharmaceuticals should be managed about the same as fast food. 31 flavors with just local oversight of cleanliness standards.

And I still despise a doper with a chemical crutch whether it be street, prescribed or otc.


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Re: psilocybin to be legal [Re: Marty] #7708481
11/04/22 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Marty
Drug legalization is a bad thing in many ways. That is just how it is.


My question has always been,"How will legalizing mind altering and hallucinogenic drugs BENEFIT our society?" It's already going down the tubes, SOOOOO......

Let's make getting high and stoned from even worse drugs than alcohol legal!!!

That will help our society and all will be much better!!!!

I understand liberty and all that, but your lack of sobriety is a threat to me, therefore your liberties and freedoms are suspended until you come back to reality.

If they want to get high on narcotics, they get to go to a padded room and get locked in. They can shoot up or snort whatever they want. They do not come out until they are sober. If they are caught doing drugs out of the padded rooms, SEVERE penalties must be implemented.

Now we all know how well that will go over and many more people than are out there now will be shooting up and snorting. So, not only will our medical system be overloaded with narcan recipients, our penal system will also have more inhabitants. Both of those systems will be supported by...........

Your tax dollars.

So, again, how will legalizing mind altering and hallucinogenic drugs BENEFIT our society?

And before anyone starts the medical marijuana train, I am all for legalizing drugs FOR MEDICAL PURPOSES. If someone benefits from them in pain reduction, controlling mental disorders, chemo support, I am all for it.

I am specifically talking about RECREATIONAL NON MEDICAL use of narcotics.


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Re: psilocybin to be legal [Re: danny clifton] #7708487
11/04/22 10:47 AM
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Moral values are the foundation of a society, laws are a product of values. Moral values and the role they play in a society have been studied and their importance have been documented but we live in a society that ignores this. We think government and money can fix any problem. Without addressing the the real problem any other answers or solutions are only band aids for the secondary issues resulting from the real issue. We have more welfare, more drugs (prescribed and illegal) , more social services and more counseling and self-esteem/awareness bs than ever before yet the social problems get worse. Strengthing the family structure and promoting fundamentally sound moral values are the answer to the problem. Study of human history will point this out if u don't believe me.

Re: psilocybin to be legal [Re: danny clifton] #7708489
11/04/22 10:48 AM
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JMO but we need a new approach to drugs.

Abolish the FDA/Pharma model. Allow folks to do as they will BUT with that new found freedom comes serious and severe responsibility.

Can't pay your bills because you spent it on dope, tough crap. You're gonna starve or freeze whichever comes first. And your next of kin will get the bill to scrape your carcass off the street.

Do something stupid while on dope or to buy dope then you've proven you're lack of decision making skills. So the state will make your decisions for you for the remainder of your short time on the planet.

Problem will clear itself up under this plan.


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Re: psilocybin to be legal [Re: danny clifton] #7708490
11/04/22 10:51 AM
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Back in the 80’s, in a small town in Nevada, this was offered at the bar for $1.00 a hit. The dispenser was like a defuser humidifier type deal. And No, I didn’t try it. Not sure how long this went on but it was available the couple times I went in the place.

Re: psilocybin to be legal [Re: warrior] #7708491
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Originally Posted by warrior
JMO but we need a new approach to drugs.

Abolish the FDA/Pharma model. Allow folks to do as they will BUT with that new found freedom comes serious and severe responsibility.

Can't pay your bills because you spent it on dope, tough crap. You're gonna starve or freeze whichever comes first. And your next of kin will get the bill to scrape your carcass off the street.

Do something stupid while on dope or to buy dope then you've proven you're lack of decision making skills. So the state will make your decisions for you for the remainder of your short time on the planet.

Problem will clear itself up under this plan.


Problem is democrats will fight for the ability to use tax money to help the poor citizen unable to take care of themselves and use your money and mine to promise their care and buy their votes. And somewhere in there it will revolve around the poor children.

You know I'm right.


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Re: psilocybin to be legal [Re: danny clifton] #7708492
11/04/22 10:53 AM
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I believe you yessir. I also believe that a government afraid of the governed being armed, is crooked as a dogs hind leg. MAYBE the CO legislature really does want to make people easier to control. Sure seems odd to me though that our KS repeal of federal gun law brings down the weight of the federal judicial branch but CO repealing federal drug law is fine? What gives? I dont care that they passed a recreational weed law. I want our affirmation of the 2nd amendment to be respected by the feds.


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Re: psilocybin to be legal [Re: danny clifton] #7708493
11/04/22 10:59 AM
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government no longer serves the people, nowadays it serves itself and it is an all encompassing/all consuming power.


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Re: psilocybin to be legal [Re: danny clifton] #7708494
11/04/22 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
I believe you yessir. I also believe that a government afraid of the governed being armed, is crooked as a dogs hind leg. MAYBE the CO legislature really does want to make people easier to control. Sure seems odd to me though that our KS repeal of federal gun law brings down the weight of the federal judicial branch but CO repealing federal drug law is fine? What gives? I dont care that they passed a recreational weed law. I want our affirmation of the 2nd amendment to be respected by the feds.

I'm with u Danny. What you stated begs the question of what the agenda of the feds is? But the masses won't look past the minor issues to ask the bigger questions.

Re: psilocybin to be legal [Re: danny clifton] #7708504
11/04/22 11:21 AM
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Psilocybin mushrooms are probably one of the safest psychedelic drugs a person can take....if you just consider the physical effects on the person.

But the long term negative effects on the psyche (mind, soul, spirit) can be immense and unmeasurable.


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Re: psilocybin to be legal [Re: danny clifton] #7708506
11/04/22 11:25 AM
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Embrace Reality and Just Say No to Drugs/Alcohol.


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Re: psilocybin to be legal [Re: danny clifton] #7708561
11/04/22 12:32 PM
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I wonder if it would take fermentation well ?

Re: psilocybin to be legal [Re: waggler] #7708570
11/04/22 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by waggler
Psilocybin mushrooms are probably one of the safest psychedelic drugs a person can take....if you just consider the physical effects on the person.

But the long term negative effects on the psyche (mind, soul, spirit) can be immense and unmeasurable.


Dont feel singled out Waggler, I'm replying to the whole thread not just you.

Psilocybin or Truthfully Psilocin , is no more deadly than any prescription drug. It is in fact less deadly than most prescription drugs. It is not habit forming or addictive.
it has been studied on and off since the 60's and shows no negative side affects. In fact it shows neurogenesis which has show to help not only the everyday person, but is a treatment for TBI's.

BUT, any hallucinogenic can and has show to cause psychological breaks in people with existing psychological disorders.

Psilocybin has show absolute relief for people suffering from PTSD, depression etc. People taking SSRI's have show to no longer need medication after a single "Dose" of psilocybin.

Marijuana on the other hand is absolutely NOT a gateway drug. Areas that has legal Marijuana has seen a steep decline on opiate use.
Marijuana is not Deadly in anyway, you cannot over dose on it.

Caffeine and alcohol are mind altering substances, both are deadly, have extreme long term side affects. But are accepted by society because they are part of our culture.

Prescription drugs are just as deadly , mind altering and addictive with extreme side effects. But these are accepted by society because a Dr. prescribed them. Also, Doctors don't know S@#* about drugs.

Prescription Opiates are the number one cause of addiction in the US. A doctor prescribes them to you, you become addicted and then they take them away.

My Uncle, who is much like a father to me is a Vietnam vet and suffers from nerves damage from the blood pressure meds he was on for over 20 years.

I'm not saying Drugs are good and the answer to everything. But I have seen first hand what Psilocybin has done to treat PTSD and, if thats what it take to keep my brothers from killing themselves I'm 100% on board.


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Re: psilocybin to be legal [Re: Griffin21] #7708571
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Originally Posted by Griffin21
Originally Posted by waggler
Psilocybin mushrooms are probably one of the safest psychedelic drugs a person can take....if you just consider the physical effects on the person.

But the long term negative effects on the psyche (mind, soul, spirit) can be immense and unmeasurable.


Dont feel singled out Waggler, I'm replying to the whole thread not just you.

Psilocybin or Truthfully Psilocin , is no more deadly than any prescription drug. It is in fact less deadly than most prescription drugs. It is not habit forming or addictive.
it has been studied on and off since the 60's and shows no negative side affects. In fact it shows neurogenesis which has show to help not only the everyday person, but is a treatment for TBI's.

BUT, any hallucinogenic can and has show to cause psychological breaks in people with existing psychological disorders.

Psilocybin has show absolute relief for people suffering from PTSD, depression etc. People taking SSRI's have show to no longer need medication after a single "Dose" of psilocybin.

Marijuana on the other hand is absolutely NOT a gateway drug. Areas that has legal Marijuana has seen a steep decline on opiate use.
Marijuana is not Deadly in anyway, you cannot over dose on it.

Caffeine and alcohol are mind altering substances, both are deadly, have extreme long term side affects. But are accepted by society because they are part of our culture.

Prescription drugs are just as deadly , mind altering and addictive with extreme side effects. But these are accepted by society because a Dr. prescribed them. Also, Doctors don't know S@#* about drugs.

Prescription Opiates are the number one cause of addiction in the US. A doctor prescribes them to you, you become addicted and then they take them away.

My Uncle, who is much like a father to me is a Vietnam vet and suffers from nerves damage from the blood pressure meds he was on for over 20 years.

I'm not saying Drugs are good and the answer to everything. But I have seen first hand what Psilocybin has done to treat PTSD and, if thats what it take to keep my brothers from killing themselves I'm 100% on board.


What about recreational (non medical) use? You know, people who just want the high? No problems, no PTSD, just one who wants to get high for the fun of getting high.


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Re: psilocybin to be legal [Re: bowhunter27295] #7708577
11/04/22 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
Originally Posted by warrior
JMO but we need a new approach to drugs.

Abolish the FDA/Pharma model. Allow folks to do as they will BUT with that new found freedom comes serious and severe responsibility.

Can't pay your bills because you spent it on dope, tough crap. You're gonna starve or freeze whichever comes first. And your next of kin will get the bill to scrape your carcass off the street.

Do something stupid while on dope or to buy dope then you've proven you're lack of decision making skills. So the state will make your decisions for you for the remainder of your short time on the planet.

Problem will clear itself up under this plan.


Problem is democrats will fight for the ability to use tax money to help the poor citizen unable to take care of themselves and use your money and mine to promise their care and buy their votes. And somewhere in there it will revolve around the poor children.

You know I'm right.


Of course, that's the nature of demonrats.

I would propose an amendment at an Article V convention to abolish the individual income tax and permanently bar any direct disbursement of public funds to the people.

Or we could just round up and abolish the demonrats.


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Re: psilocybin to be legal [Re: danny clifton] #7708582
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We should criminalize alcohol since most destruction has come to our society from alcohol.

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Re: psilocybin to be legal [Re: danny clifton] #7708588
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Take a drive through 4th avenue in Anchorage you will see people laying on the street, leaning up against a parking meter taking a dump. fighting ,crying ,urinating, freezing, dying,.etc..etc..

Its not pot smokers, its not folks eating mushrooms, its alcoholics, the biggest problem we ignore for some reason. Its legal too.

Re: psilocybin to be legal [Re: bowhunter27295] #7708590
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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295

What about recreational (non medical) use? You know, people who just want the high? No problems, no PTSD, just one who wants to get high for the fun of getting high.


Well, It's going to happen. it has been happening. and as long as we're talking about psilocybin and Marijuana or other non addictive drugs. let them have at it. I know a lot of people who smoke tons of the Devils Lettuce and they are good people.

They attend their local church, are involved in the community and work their Butts off from daylight to dusk every day of the year.

I don't know anyone who uses mushrooms for anything more than a once in awhile thing. I know people who use them ceremonially as they are Pagan. We have many Pagans here.

I don't know how the rest of the country is other than the areas I been, but people have been illegally growing and using marijuana and mushrooms for generations.

I know of a lot of Illegal marijuana operations that no longer exist due to legalization. People on Marijuana and Mushrooms aren't violent and don't go looking for trouble. Unlike people drinking alchohol.


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Re: psilocybin to be legal [Re: danny clifton] #7708593
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Government sponsored rehabilitation/drug treatment centers are HUGE $$$$$$$ makers

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