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Re: Civit musk [Re: kytrapper] #7854449
04/27/23 02:44 PM
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Yes sir, I don't think he meant sand?:) I believe he meant Sandalwood oil or powder. That is a good material to use to carry the Civet odor characteristics.

Re: Civit musk [Re: Bob Jameson] #7854459
04/27/23 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob Jameson
Yes sir, I don't think he meant sand?:) I believe he meant Sandalwood oil or powder. That is a good material to use to carry the Civet odor characteristics.

Gotcha u. My hearing is too great. U thought he said sand . Figured he used it to thin out the fats so they would dissolve easier.

Re: Civit musk [Re: kytrapper] #7854568
04/27/23 05:43 PM
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Just to clarify I never said there was anything wrong with adding orris root. Some old time lure formulations called for "orris root". I just stated that when added to the civet paste the mix could no longer be considered a TRUE civet tincture. Sandlewood powder mixed in like Mr Riegler shows creates a beautiful flowery perfume aroma. And yes I've watched a few perfumers' videos and dabbled a little bit with perfumes. I also mentioned that the fat from the paste was not necessary for a trapper to remove for animal attractor formulation use and why I suspect that perfumers want it removed.

I full well understand that when a solvent like alcohol evaporates that the mother material remains intact with what its blended with and never said a binder or stabilizer was needed! Just stated that perhaps one might consider it to slow down the rate of the evaporation add some weight to the chemical structure so that odor lingers a while longer. And yes I do know that civet has fixative qualities and what a fixative is used for. I put up civet paste by dissolving it in extra virgin olive oil. I don't consider it so much a true tincture but more of suspending the paste / mother material in the oil to expand the quantity some and make it easier to use in my formulations.

Over the years I have learned there are always different ways to do the same thing but in different ways. What works for one may not work for someone else. One guy will swear by a certain ingredient the next guy might swear at it. Its never wrong until it don't work.

Mr Yes sir I appreciate and value your 2 cents and thank you for your input


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Re: Civit musk [Re: kytrapper] #7854594
04/27/23 06:17 PM
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And I appreciate the more detailed explanation. More chat about different approaches always give everyone more to think about.

Re: Civit musk [Re: Tom Fisher] #7854626
04/27/23 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Fisher
I use a perfume in a lure, I have found that beaver oil sac oil to mix the perfume with the animal parts and seems to "hold" the odors. Iam now substituting a grease instead of the glycol/glycerene to freezeproof and raise the melting point for work in hot/sub zero temps. The grease will not freeze at below 0 and won't melt till well over 100, curious as to how it will change the "odor release"?



Mr Tom, That grease your using .....is it Petro or perhaps something you picked up over in Roswell at the U.F.O. crash sight wink


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Re: Civit musk [Re: danny clifton] #7855929
04/29/23 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
I like to melt the real stuff into sun rendered skunk oil. double boiler method.

I find this method interesting! Using some heat to help the civet paste relax and blend with another material or base. Providing the two materials are compatible.
Because they are both cats? Bobcats/Civets.
I would like to try extending the Civet paste by mixing it into Bobcat glands. Preferably glands with out urine?
Just something I am considering at this time.

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