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Re: Moving things and how coyotes react [Re: BTLowry] #7722875
11/20/22 09:15 PM
11/20/22 09:15 PM
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We also need to define what is “educated”?

IMO, a truly educated coyote won’t come within 20 foot of a lured or baited set. A truly educated coyote will flat quit using locations you’ve messed around at. A truly educated coyote will quit the country sometime and just plain leave if they feel the pressures on. And depending on ground conditions, you may never even know it was there and now isn’t!

Habitual diggers arent educated, they’re conditioned. The fact they keep coming back to dig makes them pretty easy to kill.

Coyotes getting close to but not “working” sets aren’t educated. An educated coyote turns inside out and gets the *#@$ out of dodge. They’re probably just not that interested in what your laying down at the time or there’s maybe just a tad to much human stink left yet. Maybe the wind was wrong and they never even knew it was there. Give it time.

Truly trap smart coyotes are pretty rare.

Last edited by Boone Liane; 11/20/22 09:34 PM.
Re: Moving things and how coyotes react [Re: Boone Liane] #7722903
11/20/22 09:33 PM
11/20/22 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Boone Liane
We also need to define what is “educated”?

IMO, a truly educated coyote won’t come within 20 foot of a lured or baited set. A truly educated coyote will flat quit using locations you’ve messed around at. A truly educated coyote will quit the country sometime and just plain leave if they feel the pressures on. And depending on ground conditions, you may never even know it was there and now isn’t!

Habitual diggers arent educated, they’re conditioned. The fact they keep coming back to dig makes them pretty easy to kill.

Coyotes getting close to but not “working” sets aren’t educated. An educated coyote turns inside out and gets the *#@$ out of dodge. They’re probably just not that interested in what your laying down at the time or there’s maybe just a tad to much human stink left yet. Give it time.

Truly trap smart coyotes are pretty rare.

In agreement.

Re: Moving things and how coyotes react [Re: BTLowry] #7722931
11/20/22 09:57 PM
11/20/22 09:57 PM
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When my wife moves my stuff, it sometimes agitates me, but I'm not that educated. grin
Good topic guys.

A large tree limb in a field with grass growing high all around it, mice, rabbit habitat, bugs, etc. Was a good location.
A similar fresh limb dragged into a field, location produced nothing.

Anyone heard of the orange cone experiment?
I will read this whole topic thanks.





Re: Moving things and how coyotes react [Re: Wanna Be] #7723013
11/20/22 11:29 PM
11/20/22 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Wanna Be
Other than a blind set, every other set has something added. Whether it’s lure, bait, or urine. Y’all may need to make coyote prints in the dirt to keep it real.
Here’s what I’m not getting on your “educated” coyotes…and this is everyone’s educated coyotes. Y’all use the same lure/lures for however long you’ve trapped through the years, but yet all of a sudden this educated coyote gets caught. Y’all have even stated how they’ve avoided this set or that set to be caught in so and so set. If he was truly educated then he/she wouldn’t be duped unless it was using the same trail day in and day out and finally stepped in a blind set with no lure or bait.
With that being said I still don’t see how moving something will prevent a coyote from working a set. I don’t care one bit if there’s an ambulance at my favorite restaurant, if I can get in I’m going in. Hasn’t it been established that coyotes movement and curiosity is based on hormones and food? I don’t think they just wake up and think I’m gonna go for a walk today and avoid everything I see that’s different. They do what they do every day.
Yes, I’ve had “avoidances” even posted pics of a coyote walking around a dirt hole but wouldn’t commit. So what did I do? Left the dirt hole as it was and moved off to the side about 2 foot and put a set in with a shot of urine. Next time the coyote came through it got caught in that trap and ended up with his back foot in the dirt hole trap.
So was that an educated coyote?

To me the only way a coyote is educated is if he gets caught and gets out. That has nothing to do with anything being moved unless he investigated something new and that’s when he got pinched. Or he investigated a dirt hole and got pinched. Or walked a certain trail and got pinched. I would say maybe watching his/her mate get caught, but that would mean no doubles or triples on a catch so that blows that out of the water.

Steel you mentioned using natural lure, what about bait? How is muskrat a natural bait to a Texas coyote? I will say the same thing about a Georgia coyote. We don’t have muskrats where I live yet they catch coyotes. I do know using “natural to the area” baits work.
So natural lures are referring to gland lures? You mention using red fox urine. How many of them do they have in West Texas? We do have a few of those around and plenty of Grey it seems, but I’ve heard others say that Grey Fox urine doesn’t really work. Anyone here tried it for coyotes?

Wanna Be. What you are not concdering is I trap 3 different places in Texas. 1 place is lots of coyotes = like kanas or south texas. Its in West Texas. Now in = Central~West Texas I have NEVER used muskrat down a pipe in sheep country

Re: Moving things and how coyotes react [Re: steeltraps] #7723026
11/20/22 11:42 PM
11/20/22 11:42 PM
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I truly believe that most trappers are educating coyotes all the time. They just dont want to admit it and be honest with their selfs. Its easier to pretend the problem doesnt exist. Sloppy sets. Big out of place. Odd looking unnatural dirt holes No using good scent control. Not picking up lure sticks. Over use of lure and urine. Everything that doesn’t catch a coyote only makes that coyote that much smarter. The coyote simply files it away in its memory bank. For the most part I feel like the = So called = modern trapper has lost his way. Todays trapper wants to put minimal effort in a reap all the rewards. Well i have to pull up some traps on morning and head back in to sheep country tomorrow. I have had some fun. Now fun is over. Out of bourbon. So going to bed

Re: Moving things and how coyotes react [Re: BTLowry] #7723193
11/21/22 08:59 AM
11/21/22 08:59 AM
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I am sure I am educating coyotes but I am doing my best to educate myself to decrease that wink

Re: Moving things and how coyotes react [Re: BTLowry] #7723406
11/21/22 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by BTLowry
I am sure I am educating coyotes but I am doing my best to educate myself to decrease that wink

Everyone has to learn. Evolution of learning coyote behavior. IF your jot evolving your dying. If you dont think your coyotes are evolving? You must not be evolving

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