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Re: murder of 2 michigan deer hunters [Re: Lugnut] #7744304
12/15/22 11:40 AM
12/15/22 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Lugnut


This one happened within ear shot of our hunting camp. I remember the planes and police presence. When it was happening we thought they were driving deer as the shots were spaced out like one would expect from a big group kicking deer around. Still gives me chills thinking it could have been us as we also have stands visible from public land. We heard shots after dark that night back on the public land spaced out about every ten minutes and figured he had friends looking to pick him up and get him out of the area.


Life sure is tough when you don't learn from the mistakes of others.
Re: murder of 2 michigan deer hunters [Re: tomahawker] #7744581
12/15/22 05:39 PM
12/15/22 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by tomahawker
5 episodes in and I’m hooked. With these murder mysteries involving firearms I’m always baffled when they take note of the position of the dead bodies and come to a definitive conclusion. Yes some details can be gleaned from this but anyone who has done a lot hunting and shooting knows critters can do strange things after fatal shots are fired. You never hear this mentioned in any of these shows. A fatally shot raccoon does not just drop dead and cease moving every time. We’ve all seen them do backflips somersaults and flop around 15 ft from where they were shot. Not sure if these shows think this is too much for the publics imaginations or what but I have never heard any acknowledgment of this in these shows. Anyways! At this point I believe Jeff is innocent, a loud mouth but not a murderer. Still a lot of episodes to go.

I made it through 5 episodes today and agree with you so far. There surety has to be more evidence.


Looks like he needs another year;-)
Re: murder of 2 michigan deer hunters [Re: Trap Setter] #7744621
12/15/22 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Trap Setter
Originally Posted by Lugnut


This one happened within ear shot of our hunting camp. I remember the planes and police presence. When it was happening we thought they were driving deer as the shots were spaced out like one would expect from a big group kicking deer around. Still gives me chills thinking it could have been us as we also have stands visible from public land. We heard shots after dark that night back on the public land spaced out about every ten minutes and figured he had friends looking to pick him up and get him out of the area.

Curious if his group still has a cabin in the area?

Re: murder of 2 michigan deer hunters [Re: Kart29] #7806680
02/25/23 03:02 AM
02/25/23 03:02 AM
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Update on the convicted Estes killer.

https://wwmt.com/news/state/judge-releases-man-in-1990-slayings-of-2-michigan-hunters#

Released after 21 yrs.


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Re: murder of 2 michigan deer hunters [Re: Kart29] #7806727
02/25/23 07:14 AM
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Eh...wot?

Re: murder of 2 michigan deer hunters [Re: Kart29] #7806790
02/25/23 09:09 AM
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Put him in the woods next season unarmed and tell the locals.


Get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US.
Re: murder of 2 michigan deer hunters [Re: Dillrod] #7806795
02/25/23 09:16 AM
02/25/23 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Dillrod
Update on the convicted Estes killer.

https://wwmt.com/news/state/judge-releases-man-in-1990-slayings-of-2-michigan-hunters#

Released after 21 yrs.



Definitely going to be a lawsuit over that.

Re: murder of 2 michigan deer hunters [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7806798
02/25/23 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Originally Posted by Wanna Be

Wow! I remember that story, but what I heard was he went around shooting folks out of their stands. Complete opposite of what actually happened I guess. Not defending the guy, but shoot at me and I’m shooting back as well.


Way more to the story than that. At trial Chai vang said the first guy deserved to die for flipping him off. He shot multiple people in the back and executed wounded people laying on the ground.

Vang was an angry renegade. He bragged to coworkers about poaching deer on land he owned in Minnesota, and had citations for trespassing and going over bag limit on fish. His first marriage ended after he accused his wife of infidelity and pointed a loaded handgun at her. His second marriage ended after he nearly choked his wife to death for gambling away $3,000

Re: murder of 2 michigan deer hunters [Re: BernieB.] #7807150
02/25/23 04:37 PM
02/25/23 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by BernieB.
Originally Posted by Dillrod
Update on the convicted Estes killer.

https://wwmt.com/news/state/judge-releases-man-in-1990-slayings-of-2-michigan-hunters#

Released after 21 yrs.



Definitely going to be a lawsuit over that.


Seems like his conviction was heavily influenced by his history of verbal responses to possible trespassers.
His trial was built around his neighborhood testifying about it.
Go passed the area several times a year.
Small piece of state land and surrounding area is farmland.


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Re: murder of 2 michigan deer hunters [Re: Kart29] #7807243
02/25/23 07:02 PM
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^^^^^^^^^Hope he gets millions from all of them.^^^^^^

Re: murder of 2 michigan deer hunters [Re: Kart29] #7807300
02/25/23 08:14 PM
02/25/23 08:14 PM
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71 yrs old
1/3 of his life taken.
Don't know who owns the property now.

I hope he lives long enough to see a settlement and enjoy his senior yrs.


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