I'm an atheist because I pointed out the obvious: rampant Tman keyboard talk about fantasy fights that don't happen and will likely never happen?

That was a heck of a leap.

Just a ? == I haven't read every post on this, but have been following it since the beginning == How do we know if it is God or satan telling us to "take out the trash"?

I didn't say there wasn't a time to fight Chancey, what I am saying is defend.

Have you seriously thought about what an armed revolution in this country will look like? Have you even considered you will more than likely loose several family members. How about if you get in with the wrong bunch of knuckleheads and get tossed in jail before it's kicked off?

Lets start with the basics. Do you think your household is armed well enough? Do you have body armor? If this kicks off it won't be like the first revolution, it's going to be bloody, people will starve. 600k dead in the civil war. That will be childs play.

I'm an atheist because I pointed out the obvious: rampant Tman keyboard talk about fantasy fights that don't happen and will likely never happen?

That was a heck of a leap. [/quote

I apologize. I thought you were an atheist. My fault.

It will need to be where we are today vs. then.

30 to 35 million people in this country during the Civil War. 10 times that many now, can we extrapolate 6 million dead? It will be more.

Things will definitely be stinky for a while.

Goodness Steven, I’m not calling for a revolution, just asking if there is a time we need to fight back. I think there is, and it means fighting back to local governments, city councils, and school boards. If they try to silence us, then we should fight back. If the Fed Gov gets involved, then I think we should fight back.

Do we just keep defending until it is at our doorstep?

Blood will be deep up to the horses bridle I hear.

Guess we need to decide what side of the pool we want to die on.

It's always time to fight back in the political arena.

That’s the problem, the political arenas is where this is happening and promoting it.

Yeah, man that’s a great one. Daniel is working with exactly the problems being discussed here.

Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego replied to the king, “Nebuchadnezzar, we are not in need of an answer to give you concerning this matter. If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to rescue us from the furnace of blazing fire; [n]and He will rescue us from your hand, O king. But even if He does not, let it be known to you, O king, that we are not going to serve your gods nor worship the golden statue that you have set up.”

Chancey, I hear and understand your frustration. I am just as frustrated. The enemy is already at your doorstep. I just think the Bible has a different definition of what it means to take a stand and fight back. I don’t think anyone here has said that you need to remain silent or to be passive. We Christians MUST fight back just like Jesus did. We just have to be careful to do it LIKE He did, not like the world tells us to.

Excellent question WaterRat, For me, you hold it up against the Truth of the Bible and Jesus Christ. Satan is clever and the best liar of all; he uses half truths to make his point and even uses the Word of God out of context to deceive. The best lies always have some truth to them. To know for sure, you must test everything that you hear against the Word, which is written in the Bible. If it comes up short, or discredits Jesus as the Son of God in any way, then it is not of God IMO.

By the way, I don't think that because of Jesus Christ, we are 100% rid of the Law or the Torah. True, I do KNOW that Jesus is our only savior, but I don't think that is a reason to not learn and study the OT and how it is extremely important and relevant to the NT. Seems too many modern day Christians are NT only and never bother to take the time to understand what God did before then. Just my opinion of course.

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Kicken' the moneychangers rear right out of the Temple is also an example to follow. Sometimes there is dirty work to be done. I do believe this was an action of Jesus the man. Had He acted as Jesus the Lion some smiting would have went on, not just an attitude adjustment.

jht Sir, thank you for your inputs on this thread. I need it. I think every page of the OT points to Jesus. I think Jesus has been around since the beginning but, also became both a man and God in the NT.

Question...

Do you think Jesus may have been the Voice in burning bush when the bush spoke to Moses? And maybe He was the Angel of the Lord whom Joshua spoke with before the battle of Jericho? Or all the other mentions of the Angel of the Lord within the Bible? Do you think it was Jesus or an archangel like Michael?

Well put Chancey. Good stuff right there.

They are called Christophanies. The old testament appearances of Christ. My fav is when Jacob beat Jesus in wrestling and received his new name. It always makes me think of how mankind can so easily beat the spirit by walking in the flesh but in the end only mankind can take damage and that damage stays with you. That'll preach.

Jesus was also the "Voice of the Lord God walking" in Genesis 3.

Anyways there will always be a time to fight no matter what some folks might think. Much like in the old testament when the people would be numbered for war some men would be allowed to leave due to being newly married and some due to fear. Not all men are made to fight. But many men try to make the Bible say what they themselves believe, and none of us can be completely right on how we interpret the Bible. In fact there is no private interpretation of the prophecies in the Bible yet so many have a private interpretation.

Also to the comment about 1 Samuel 4.... it's important to note that the reason God allowed the Hebrews to be defeated was to destroy Hophni and Phinehas. It was judgment. They had become sons of Belial. And the man who raised them was dead as a doornail upon hearing the news. From that point forth Samuel was the prophet. Don't forget that Phinehas' wife died giving birth but not before she named her son Ichabod which means that the glory of the Lord has departed from Israel. See the sons of Eli had become reprobate and had been rejected from leading the children of Israel so God used the Philistines to destroy them paving the way for Samuel. I believe you are wrong by saying that's how the Hebrews felt because it is obvious that the men leading the Hebrews didn't put God first at all. So the people thought to bring a symbol ahead of them something that is a picture of God and his throne as a way to win, but they did this without turning to God in their hearts. They lost the battle and the Hebrews lost 2 false prophets and one backslidden prophet, but gained a real man of God in Samuel.
All things work together for good right. Anyways this has been fun. I don't think there is anything I enjoy more than the mental exercise of a confrontational discussion about the Bible.

I don’t believe there is never a time to fight, far from it. What I cautioned about was using the word to serve our purposes. History is chock full of times when man decided, based on their beliefs, that it was time to fight.. and it didn’t turn out well. God promises victory when HE calls the battle. He doesn’t when we call the battle in His name.
I do very much we are called to be in battle at this time, but currently not using the tools of violence.
There are many tools to do battle with. Prayer being the biggest. Our money following behind. Standing firmly upon the Word of the Lord and making choices everyday. Being informed about the company policies that you spend your money at. What stores, Hollywood, TV providers, music, etc.
How you present yourself at your workplace.
How you drive.
Is the Lord clearly evident in all aspects of your life ? Do you truly reflect the Light and His teachings. Do you stand against non biblical aspects at your job? Enough to leave it if necessary, through prayer and faith ? Are you bold ?
What if you feel led to move from the area you grew up in to follow where God is leading you, without really being sure what He has for you in the new area, leaving your aging mother, siblings and children. To build a small farm to provide in hard times.
Many weapons..