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Re: mandatory random drug testing for licensed drivers [Re: danny clifton] #7746381
12/17/22 09:30 PM
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I think more jail/prison time for the ones that get caught. ….It’s all about money the way it is now.

Re: mandatory random drug testing for licensed drivers [Re: danny clifton] #7746398
12/17/22 09:42 PM
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There's lots of jobs where drug and alcohol use is forbidden. Driving semis should very obviously be one of them. If truck drivers don't like it they should go find a job that doesn't require testing, like everyone else who doesn't want to be tested.


Why not random tests for everybody? lets save the children


There's a huge difference in the amount of damage you can do with a vehicle that can legally weigh up to 80,000 pounds, compared to what you can do with a vehicle that weighs as low as 2000 pounds.

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Re: mandatory random drug testing for licensed drivers [Re: KeithC] #7746424
12/17/22 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by KeithC
Originally Posted by CoonsBane
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"Good". that's what everyone said when they came after the cannabis users (who dont cause acidents by the way) and now going after the drunks that cause all the accidents. Its about time.

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21.5% of crash deaths in America involve cannabis. People high on marijuana, on average, kill around 9890 people a year in the US with motor vehicles.

https://www.bu.edu/articles/2021/deadly-car-accidents-involving-cannabis-and-alcohol-have-doubled/

Keith


Thats a totally bogus study of drunk driving accident's that also had cannabis in their system. We both know what caused the accident more than likely, but please try again.


"Our method of testing for cannabis remain "suboptimal" and individuals can test positive weeks after they have consumed it, however, we can say from fatalities from crashes involving cannabis are more likely to involve alcohol even if we dont know the level of cannabis intoxication" TOTAL BS nice try though.... so they want to blame cannabis for the accidents and just so happens alcohol is "involved" is all... lol

I think you guys just hate cannabis because your drinkers.

Re: mandatory random drug testing for licensed drivers [Re: danny clifton] #7746457
12/17/22 11:10 PM
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Keith it only took a pick up running a red light to kill my son. No 80k lb rig.

Re: mandatory random drug testing for licensed drivers [Re: KeithC] #7746461
12/17/22 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by KeithC
There's lots of jobs where drug and alcohol use is forbidden. Driving semis should very obviously be one of them. If truck drivers don't like it they should go find a job that doesn't require testing, like everyone else who doesn't want to be tested.

Keith


Pretty soon you will run out of qualified workers. Isn't there already a shortage of truck drivers?


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Re: mandatory random drug testing for licensed drivers [Re: danny clifton] #7746496
12/18/22 12:28 AM
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They can still work when they are stoned-just put them back on the rickshaw.


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Re: mandatory random drug testing for licensed drivers [Re: danny clifton] #7746514
12/18/22 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Keith it only took a pick up running a red light to kill my son. No 80k lb rig.


I am sorry for the loss of your son. Yes, smaller vehicle collisions kill people too.

On average, 11% of the people killed in traffic accidents in the US are killed by truckers. The reason the number is so incredibly high, compared to the percentage semis represent of all vehicles on the road, is that when truckers mess up, they often totally crush multiple vehicles. They have the mass to cause truly massive damage.

Keith

Re: mandatory random drug testing for licensed drivers [Re: danny clifton] #7746542
12/18/22 03:28 AM
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What it boils down to is.... your employer started all of this, they sold a little bit of your freedom for a discounted insurance rate. And now we dont have much left to sell anymore.

Re: mandatory random drug testing for licensed drivers [Re: danny clifton] #7746549
12/18/22 03:48 AM
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Commercial aviation has been required by Feds to have a drug testing plan since 88 or 89. I have had random calls most every year I worked. At the last placed I worked I had 2 pee in a cup calls and 2 breathalyzers in just under 2 years.
Adds substantially to the cost of doing business.

Re: mandatory random drug testing for licensed drivers [Re: danny clifton] #7746552
12/18/22 05:06 AM
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How many times in the past 20 yrs have I heard of some bad crash by someone drunk driving on suspended or no license. Kinda like more gun laws and not enforcing the ones we already have.

Re: mandatory random drug testing for licensed drivers [Re: danny clifton] #7746570
12/18/22 07:42 AM
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Do functioning addicts prove being impaired is not a safety issue?


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Re: mandatory random drug testing for licensed drivers [Re: Macthediver] #7746618
12/18/22 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Macthediver
Maybe they should just lead by example. Put interlocks on every police car, snow plow,fire truck, bus, any municipal owned vehicle. Do that for a year or two get their statistics before they go public. See how that works out. Maybe make every judge and court house work blow to get in the building in morning. Then Radom drug test during work week.

Mac



In Kansas anyways, Snow plow drivers (CDL holders), we also use our trucks for lots of other things, are subject to random drug testing, and mandatory testing in the event of an accident.


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Re: mandatory random drug testing for licensed drivers [Re: danny clifton] #7746673
12/18/22 10:11 AM
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Nobody should roll around smoking weed behind the wheel. However, popping positive on a drug test for weed doesn't mean you were impaired while driving (unless you were using immediately before or at the time). Getting stoned the night before or even hours before does not impair driving. It also depends on how much you smoke or eat. You might be fine to drive immediately (just like you can probably drive just fine having a beer or two). I studied this extensively in my younger days.

The drunks are the real problem on the roads. Followed by the opioid abusers and tweakers. Despite the vital importance of due process and civil liberty, I might get behind summarily shooting some prick on the scene of an alcohol/drug related accident he/she caused.

Re: mandatory random drug testing for licensed drivers [Re: G Hose] #7746715
12/18/22 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by G Hose
I think more jail/prison time for the ones that get caught. ….It’s all about money the way it is now.


Aren't the jails already full?


Who is John Galt?
Re: mandatory random drug testing for licensed drivers [Re: danny clifton] #7746726
12/18/22 11:12 AM
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Why not just require interlocks on EVERY vehicle? Not a snarky comment, I mean it! Way too many impaired drivers on the roads.


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Re: mandatory random drug testing for licensed drivers [Re: danny clifton] #7746731
12/18/22 11:19 AM
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46% of the drivers involved didn't test for anything. How do you prevent this roughly half from having accidents? My thought is bad drivers cause most accidents. Seriously, I think over half the drivers I see, do not use turn signals, speed, and pass in the right lane. frown


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Re: mandatory random drug testing for licensed drivers [Re: Dirt] #7746736
12/18/22 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Dirt
46% of the drivers involved didn't test for anything. How do you prevent this roughly half from having accidents? My thought is bad drivers cause most accidents. Seriously, I think over half the drivers I see, do not use turn signals, speed, and pass in the right lane. frown


A few years back if a driver couldn't get a CDL , Illinois had a program where they could come here and buy one. But after a few horrible wrecks the program had a wreck!

Re: mandatory random drug testing for licensed drivers [Re: danny clifton] #7746742
12/18/22 11:32 AM
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Certainly should test at license renewal, but hard to accomplish with online renewals.

I recall a random drug search on I-95 in GA about 30 years ago. There was a lighted sign announcing drug test/search being conducted a few miles after an approaching off ramp. Those wishing to avoid the search thought they could exit sooner. The real search was conducted upon those who tried to bypass the search.

If game wardens can search every vehicle for illegally taken deer or elk, it seems a drug testing and searching is no different. I would not object. National Guard groups can do it for their state during weekend drills.

Re: mandatory random drug testing for licensed drivers [Re: BigBob] #7746745
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Originally Posted by BigBob
Why not just require interlocks on EVERY vehicle? Not a snarky comment, I mean it! Way too many impaired drivers on the roads.


Sure as long as I get to call the boys and tell them that BigBob has volunteered cameras, microphones along with numerous AI features in everything you do on a daily basis. That way they can 100% ID you, know everything you do, sell your data, control what you see and decide the future because any input you try to give is never delivered to the intended recipent, but you are never told that. Get your head out of those cheeks and think about what you just recommended.

The solution for drunk driving is to simply impose a permanent and national lifetime ban that is not appealable to anybody who drives drunk. It doesn't matter, it is what it is, if you drive drunk, the rest of your life you will have to pay to ride a bus. The problem will get solved in less than 5 years.

Re: mandatory random drug testing for licensed drivers [Re: danny clifton] #7746762
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I might get behind summarily shooting some prick on the scene of an alcohol/drug related accident he/she caused.


trial the next day and public hanging could be made legal. that should pass constitutional muster?


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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