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Re: America Was Built On Coal [Re: MattLA] #7750608
12/22/22 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by MattLA
Originally Posted by white17
Solar panels don't work very well under four feet of snow.

Today I have 4 hours , 44 minutes of daylight


Yup, see "Niche Situations". Unfortunately there are some situations that just wont always work for solar panels the way that it does in more moderate climates.

And it's a big no on oil supply for anything more than 100 years. Permian Basin has 50B barrels of recoverable oil, the US consumes like 7B barrels of crude oil annually. The Permian Basin would get drained completely in less than 8 years if we used only that. If we use the current 40% of oil production for the USA as how much we would use from the Basin, that would be 2.72B barrels of crude oil annually and the Permian Basin would run dry of crude oil in less then 19 years.

Imported Oil, Imported Coal, Imported Natural Gas, Solar and Nuclear are the way forward. That means more refineries need to open for both oil and coal. Let somebody else destroy their country instead of us, no need to just mortgage our future away because of our inability to think in terms of 100, 250, 500 and 1000 year chunks.


Originally Posted by spjones
Nations rise & fall based on their ability to provide energy.

Energy shortages lead to blackouts, rationing, & riots.

1 BILLION people across the world are at risk of power blackouts


No man, they don't. They literally don't at all, and unfortunately this is a mindset of the Western World. There are lots of countries that don't even have power 24/7, and might only have it for 4 hours a day. Some not at all and they get on just fine like we all did for tens of thousands of years prior. The world will not end, life will go on, yes those who are not prone to survival will die. We all will die at some point, so it is what it is.

Do you know what we did when we didn't have power for 30+ days in 105 degree heat with 90% humidity after Hurricane Laura? We survived, we drank water, we ate food. We basked in the joy of being able to wake up another day and enjoy this great life that we have. The world didn't end, we were fine, we spent a lot more time with our neighbors sharing stories about other time of no power. I think more people died from improper generator use than they did of any lack of power related event. It was a very nice time in that sense and it did feel a bit like going back to a better time.


Get back to me in 40-50 yrs and let me know how much oil and natural gas is in the ground then??


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Re: America Was Built On Coal [Re: Trapper7] #7750611
12/22/22 08:38 AM
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This Christmas weekend is set to be the coldest we’ve had in nearly 40 years

Millions of lives will be saved by domestically produced coal/natural gas

Re: America Was Built On Coal [Re: spjones] #7750623
12/22/22 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by spjones
This Christmas weekend is set to be the coldest we’ve had in nearly 40 years

Millions of lives will be saved by domestically produced coal/natural gas


With all the wind coming, how many windmills are going to burn up next 2 days?

Wonder how much electricity you're going to get out of the solar panels that are covered in a couple feet of snow??

Yep when you really need the extra power you don't have any think about that real hard???


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Re: America Was Built On Coal [Re: Trapper7] #7750630
12/22/22 08:52 AM
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The dems are going to blast us back to the stone age because we weren't fair to the rest of the unfortunate world.

Re: America Was Built On Coal [Re: mike mason] #7750639
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Originally Posted by mike mason
The dems are going to blast us back to the stone age because we weren't fair to the rest of the unfortunate world.

Grievance appropriation. They have so little to legitimately complain about they live vicariously through others.

Re: America Was Built On Coal [Re: trapdog1] #7750646
12/22/22 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by trapdog1
We've got lots of coal. We've got lots of oil. There is no reason not to use it.


Agree.

Re: America Was Built On Coal [Re: Trapper7] #7750932
12/22/22 01:01 PM
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There's nothing wrong with solar & wind power as a supplement. But, there has been a lot more interest and involvement in this field in the last 20 years. Yet, it has only increased the national power grid by 2%.

Batteries aren't the same in every climate. They say on one charge you can get an average of 300 or so miles on an electric powered vehicle. How about when the temp is -25? Cold weather definitely drags a battery down.
You can never rely on solar or wind like you can coal or fossil fuels.


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