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Re: In GOD we trust... [Re: 330-Trapper] #7755345
12/26/22 10:34 PM
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Ok I got it. He was trying to prove that he was going to die. Read the next verse after that one.


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Re: In GOD we trust... [Re: Pofarmer10] #7755347
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Originally Posted by Pofarmer10
So how do you get it that proves your point?



What other use for a sword is there other than to defend yourself? Also you would sell your outer garment that is also for protection from the elements yet the sword is more important. I don't think it was for cutting cheese and bread.

Re: In GOD we trust... [Re: 330-Trapper] #7755350
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Thou shalt not kill refers to the shedding of innocent blood, as in murder.

Re: In GOD we trust... [Re: 330-Trapper] #7755352
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At 10 I didn't understand the distinction between kill and murder, there are many different uses of words in Greek and the translation often does not do the best job. At that point you go back to the Greek and see what the world means and where and how it is used in scripture in other places. Then you can see what the words mean. Your letting scripture interpret scripture that way not relying on a man.

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Originally Posted by Craig S.
Exodus 22:2 seems to make an exemption for self defense

It says that no blood should be shed. That if he got caught, he should restore what he stole plus more

Originally Posted by BandB
Thou shalt not kill refers to the shedding of innocent blood, as in murder.

Any killing is a murder because they need a chance to repent and go to heaven. Even if it involves them killing you, you shouldn't fight back.


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Re: In GOD we trust... [Re: Providence Farm] #7755355
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Originally Posted by Pofarmer10
Ok you got me in those verses in Luke. Jesus didn't command them to get it tho.



He did though. Reread it he said if they had no sword to sell their cloak and get one. That is a direct statement from the quote you quoted. I forgot your 10.

He joined tman in 2017 at age 4/5 if he's 10 now?

Now I'm confused. crazy


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Re: In GOD we trust... [Re: 330-Trapper] #7755356
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I'm 12 sir. cool


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Re: In GOD we trust... [Re: 330-Trapper] #7755357
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He said he uses his older brothers account. Looks like I missed a birthday or two or the story was wrong.

Are you sure your not just 11 and a half?

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Re: In GOD we trust... [Re: 330-Trapper] #7755358
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Luke 6:29-If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also.


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Re: In GOD we trust... [Re: Pofarmer10] #7755360
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Originally Posted by Pofarmer10
Originally Posted by Craig S.
Exodus 22:2 seems to make an exemption for self defense

It says that no blood should be shed. That if he got caught, he should restore what he stole plus more

Originally Posted by BandB
Thou shalt not kill refers to the shedding of innocent blood, as in murder.

Any killing is a murder because they need a chance to repent and go to heaven. Even if it involves them killing you, you shouldn't fight back


I read it as saying it “ if a thief is caught Breaking in and is struck so that he dies the defender is not guilty of bloodshed”.

Re: In GOD we trust... [Re: 330-Trapper] #7755367
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Pofarmer10 be a pacifist if it's how you believe it. I don't believe that's how it's written and as you get older you will continue to grow in your understanding. Your view may not change but I bet they will. Especially once you have a wife and kids. If not we'll I feel sorry for your family you will refuse to protect.

Besides if God did not want the bad guy dead than he would not end up dead right?

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MARK WHERE ARE YOU ??? lol

Re: In GOD we trust... [Re: 330-Trapper] #7755376
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I think somebody else pointed out that there is a distinction between murder (unjustifiable- the taking or shedding of innocent blood ) and the taking of a life in the case of self defense or defense of others . It is definitely not to be taken Lightly. I don’t think this is in conflict with “ love your neighbor as yourself” or any other scripture commanding one to love their enemies. All life has value. However- remember that there are men and woman who everyday put their lives on the line to protect us and in doing so may have to use lethal force in order to save the lives of others. I don’t believe they are wrong in a biblical sense or any sense for that matter . It is a hard reality and it should be avoided at all cost if possible . However it is somtimes necessary to protect others - it’s just a hard reality in an evil world. To not act would be worse in many situations…

Re: In GOD we trust... [Re: Providence Farm] #7755378
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
He said he uses his older brothers account. Looks like I missed a birthday or two or the story was wrong.

Are you sure your not just 11 and a half?

I think its because some of the other guys said I was 10 or 11 and you went with 10. I was 11 and now 12. Born in 2010


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Re: In GOD we trust... [Re: 330-Trapper] #7755382
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Ain't no sense arguing if I can't prove my point. I am going to shut up now. Do what you want. I don't really care


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"Kill em all and let God sort them out". Metallica, 1983.

Re: In GOD we trust... [Re: Pofarmer10] #7755418
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Originally Posted by Pofarmer10
Ain't no sense arguing if I can't prove my point. I am going to shut up now. Do what you want. I don't really care



I'm not saying you are wrong. I'm telling you how I see it and get from my reading. Many people believe as you do the Amish for example.

There are normally a few different debated views among Christians. Ok more than a few. Have you ever wondered why there are so many different denominations of churches?

Many of them have unbiblical teaching so it's up to us to study the scripture for ourselves so we know if we are being lead astray. I was conflicted on this topic when I was young. Now I believe I'm correct but even if not I would rather not live if I did not defend myself, family, and the innocent! I'm using innocent as a person not being the aggressor in this point. According to scripture not anyone is innocent since we're were born in sin and with a sin nature.

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I consider myself a Christian and have for most of my adult life, but if someone comes into my my house threatening my wife or kids ill send them to meet their maker real quick. And i don't think God would punish me for it

Re: In GOD we trust... [Re: RM trapper] #7755431
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Originally Posted by RM trapper
I consider myself a Christian and have for most of my adult life, but if someone comes into my my house threatening my wife or kids ill send them to meet their maker real quick. And i don't think God would punish me for it

Amen


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Peter was following Jesus for quite some time and he apparently carried a sword the whole time. I don't see where Jesus ever rebuked him for "packing".

In Luke 22 shortly before Jesus was executed he said to his disciples; ".....when I sent you out without a purse, a bag, or sandals, did you lack anything? They said, "no, not a thing'. He said to them, "but now, the one who has a purse must take it, and likewise a bag. And the one who has no sword must sell his cloak and buy one."

Of course pacifistic Christians will go through some convoluted explanations as to how this doesn't really mean to arm themselves, but most times in cases like this just a simple reading of what the text says reveals the most accurate explanation of what it means.


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