My opinion is a lot more than 30 mil. Maybe double that.

Yeah, I have 3 dozen LAND MINES laying around awaiting for good use. The crap these deep staters make up to set up situations. If there's land mines getting set in the borderlands and blowing up people, its not the average American laying them down.

Maybe his grandad was, but Carl doesn't share his ethics.



If your whole family had the mindset of you, maybe they should have.

It really galls me the way you often brag on here about hiring illegals.



Won't touch? Or won't touch for the money you're offering? Plenty of white American school kids here last year were happy to pick strawberries for $0.90/qt or $0.60/pint

With all due respect Yote I don't believe I've ever bragged about hiring illegal farm help. And if you really believe American agriculture could survive using school kid labor well, that's more coo coo than can be fixed. In my area wine grape growers are paying around $25 an hour to get their grapes in before the weather turns. Does that seem to be too meager of wages to you?

And finally, you don't know me well enough to know what my work ethics are. Sounds like once again speculation on your part because you don't care for my politics. Well, I don't like your politics either... but I don't believe I've ever lowered myself to name calling. Have I?

Sure seems like to me its not the family man or young man/woman just starting out, that thinks the bill of rights is worth defending, wants to earn honestly, wants to become an American, is who is coming in now. Sure a few have that attitude but lots of criminals and freeloaders, who knows what all are being let in.

I have been saying for years the first step to stopping illegal border jumpers is to fine into near bankruptcy people who hire them. End all public assistance and school for anyone here illegally. This is the computer age. That would not be difficult.

Make it easier for that family that wants to earn honestly to come here legally. Could even have a temporary work permit thats easy to get for farm hands who only want work a few months then go home.

End welfare for anyone not mentally or physically impaired. Addiction not considered an impairment

What we have now is bad. People I know on the border are saying we don't have a clue how bad.

It is the ultra maga white supremacists..

^^^Yep.

Greg Abbott is patting himself on the back bragging that he's bussing illegals to liberal cities. If you and I were to to do that we would be charged with no telling how many counts of federal human smuggling, sex trafficking, and thrown in a federal prison.

In less crazy times, Abbot would be hung for treason by smuggling foreign invaders to all parts of the country after illegally coming into the state.

It is a hopeless situation and so much damage is being done that we really do not understand the future consequences. What will come from this is why it is being done because the planners want those things to happen. They already have changed the voting demographics....liberal sanctuary cities will remain liberal no matter how screwed up they are/become and those cities carry those states votes.

First of all, where did I call you any names? I said it doesn't seem you share the ethics of your grandfather... I said nothing about work ethic... I meant ethics in general, such as wanting to make an HONEST living. Hiring illegals isn't exactly an honest living.

As for $25/hr you'd have all the workers you could need paying that in MS... most farm workers here make $12/hr or less and the farmers seem to have no problem filling the spots. But you live on the liberal west coast where McDonald's was paying $15/hr 20 years ago so maybe it's not enough for your area? The Gov't's probably paying people that much to NOT work out there.

You've posted numerous times throughout the years about using illegal workers. How about this post where you explain, in YOUR experience, how exactly illegals get paid.



Or your Daca worker (which are illegal by their very definition) who went on to go to some prestigious college?

I know I've seen posts where you outright posted that you hire illegals and if I look long enough I am sure I can find them but I don't have all day to pour though old posts looking for them. Are you saying you don't hire illegals?

Yote.... If you wanted to root out all the farmers that may have inadvertently hired someone that presented a fraudulent green card you stop eating tomorrow. And the vast majority of these farmers are proud ultra MAGA. Don't get in peeing contest with me 'cuz I'll bet I can go further!

It will be painful, but all welfare needs to end. Hiring someone that is here illegally and paying them less than a US citizen while not being penalized is a form of welfare IMO.

All of it needs to end; even for farmers.

Chancey, I hear what you're saying but where you're dead wrong is about the paying less. That's not what's happening. Farmers, just like many other businesses just plain can't get enough qualified people even at darn good wages. And school kids don't make the cut anymore like they once did. I have hired homeless folks in the past and either they just plain don't want to work or are so weird you fear for your safety having them on your place.

I don't have a solution to make you happy but when I hear that tired old myth about if only Americans were paid enough they would be out there....well, I'm telling you it's just not the truth.

"Qualified" you mean hard labor instead don't you?. I know, cause I work in the farming industry as well. And I don't agree for a second that illegals are paid the same wage a US citizen is. I've seen it and you and I both know that is BS.

True, many HS kids don't know what it takes to grease and take care of equipment and also pay attention to things that may go wrong, or want to put in a 16 hour day. Its because so many were not raised on a farm and having chores from sun up to sun down as well as school work. Same as young Guatamalans, El Salvadorians, and Mexicans. They can all be taught though. Difference is HS American kids don't live with a household of extended relatives as Mexicans do while working over here.

I don't believe your last sentence is the Truth at all; at least down here. Plenty of poor rural American kids willing to work. I will say that the Meth and drug problem is an issue though. Have hired many good hands for labor that worked their butts off, but never showed up again after payday. That is another problem though, and it is tied intricately into all the open border crap that brings these workers in IMO.

Well, I'll entertain the notion that things are different in Texas then. I don't know of any farmer hereabouts paying sub-standard wages to migrant workers. They are in high demand, know their worth and if they don't make wage on your place they'll be gone by tomorrow. And that my friend, is the TRUTH in my neck of the woods.

Most Americans don't wanna work...... Illegals wanna work.......peoel need work done....
Rather have half the illegals I've worked with on construction as neighbors then most of the dead best us citizens . At least they can actually be productive

Need to have an exchange program or something for every one dead beat Mexico takes from us we green card two of theirs who are good hard workers . Sounds better then what we got goin on now

Mexicans CAN come here to do farm work. It's called an H-2A visa which I am sure Carl knows about. But I guess it must just be cheaper to hire the illegal ones instead.

Yotey, there's quite a bit about the H-2A that makes it not work for the majority of farmers myself included. It's not about the money.

I'll bite. What makes it not work? Seemed to work fine for the farmer I was working for last year.

What hourly rate do you pay your illegal workers beaverpeeler? Do you give them a W9 prior to working for them to fill out and send them a 1099 at the end of the year?

Of course your right most Americans don't want to work ? Must be talking about your generation because we from my group help make this the greatest nation on earth.