Re: Alec Baldwin shooting
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01/18/23 09:29 PM
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Nah. Lefty elitists don't get charged with crimes. When they do ( rarely) they get suicided by their own kind
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Re: Alec Baldwin shooting
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01/18/23 09:32 PM
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Re: Alec Baldwin shooting
[Re: adam m]
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01/19/23 09:19 AM
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I'm going to go against the grain here and say that unless it can be shown Baldwin knew the gun was loaded and intentionally shot her, he should not face criminal charges.
BUT, no matter how you slice it or dice it, he is liable in civil court. Not only as the actor what pulled the trigger, but also producer what was running the movie set. He ought to be sued for every cent he has, or ever will have, X1000. Movie set is no place for a gun that can fire a live bullet. Anybody brighter than a 10 watt night light ought to know that.
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Re: Alec Baldwin shooting
[Re: adam m]
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01/19/23 09:29 AM
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He admitted he knew it was real gun capable of firing real bullets. Negligent homicide is defined as a crime where you commit some act of criminal negligence, and the act results in the killing of another person. While state laws slightly vary on the definition of “criminal negligence,” it is generally viewed as conduct where a person
ignores a known or obvious risk or disregards the life and safety of others.
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Re: Alec Baldwin shooting
[Re: adam m]
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01/19/23 10:06 AM
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Baldwin absolutely should be charged, if it were one of us and we used the "Someone else was in charge of the firearm" and "I didn't know it was loaded" argument, it wouldn't even be considered.
I don't care if it was a movie set, gang infested alley, or out on the prairie, it's all the same.
Baldwin pulled the trigger that killed, he was the last line of defense and he was negligent by not checking that gun regardless of intent.
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Re: Alec Baldwin shooting
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01/19/23 10:20 AM
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I'm going to go against the grain here and say that unless it can be shown Baldwin knew the gun was loaded and intentionally shot her, he should not face criminal charges.
BUT, no matter how you slice it or dice it, he is liable in civil court. Not only as the actor what pulled the trigger, but also producer what was running the movie set. He ought to be sued for every cent he has, or ever will have, X1000. Movie set is no place for a gun that can fire a live bullet. Anybody brighter than a 10 watt night light ought to know that. but what if he is the executive producer who decided to shoot the film with live guns to cut costs and that when the head armorer quit because of safety issue promoted the assistant on the spot ? with any ND multiple things went wrong , the thing was he was responsible for more than just acting on that film.
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Re: Alec Baldwin shooting
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01/19/23 10:36 AM
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Baldwin absolutely should be charged, if it were one of us and we used the "Someone else was in charge of the firearm" and "I didn't know it was loaded" argument, it wouldn't even be considered.
I don't care if it was a movie set, gang infested alley, or out on the prairie, it's all the same.
Baldwin pulled the trigger that killed, he was the last line of defense and he was negligent by not checking that gun regardless of intent. Agree. Back when I was first learning how to handle firearms, my father drilled it into me over and over again that when handling guns you always keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction and that you never point a gun (Loaded or Unloaded) in the direction of another person. I can't imagine doing what he did even if I knew there was not a live round in the chamber.
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Re: Alec Baldwin shooting
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01/19/23 11:49 AM
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I'm going to go against the grain here and say that unless it can be shown Baldwin knew the gun was loaded and intentionally shot her, he should not face criminal charges.
BUT, no matter how you slice it or dice it, he is liable in civil court. Not only as the actor what pulled the trigger, but also producer what was running the movie set. He ought to be sued for every cent he has, or ever will have, X1000. Movie set is no place for a gun that can fire a live bullet. Anybody brighter than a 10 watt night light ought to know that. but what if he is the executive producer who decided to shoot the film with live guns to cut costs and that when the head armorer quit because of safety issue promoted the assistant on the spot ? with any ND multiple things went wrong , the thing was he was responsible for more than just acting on that film. A movie is not real life, nor is a movie set. These days the only movies that do not include simulated, make believe gunfire is a sappy chick flick or Hallmark Christmas movie and maybe even some of those. So it is a common problem they have. Having a real gun capable of firing a real bullet on a movie set was an idiotic mistake. A legally liable, idiotic mistake. The point being an actor on a movie set should have 100% expectation that nothing handed to them is any more dangerous than a squirt gun no matter what it looks like. To drive that point home, anybody and everybody associated with production of that movie needs to be financially gutted like a fish to drive home that point. Do that and it will never happen again.
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Re: Alec Baldwin shooting
[Re: adam m]
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01/19/23 12:02 PM
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He's guilty at the least of unintentional homicide or man slaughter if he were treated the same as the average person.
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Re: Alec Baldwin shooting
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01/19/23 12:25 PM
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Reckless. The gun was loaded. He picked it up and shot her. He's guilty of something.
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Re: Alec Baldwin shooting
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01/19/23 12:27 PM
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Baldwin absolutely should be charged, if it were one of us and we used the "Someone else was in charge of the firearm" and "I didn't know it was loaded" argument, it wouldn't even be considered.
I don't care if it was a movie set, gang infested alley, or out on the prairie, it's all the same.
Baldwin pulled the trigger that killed, he was the last line of defense and he was negligent by not checking that gun regardless of intent. You are absolutely right. He FIRED the NRA safety instructor because he gave Baldwin and others a hard time about being reckless with mixing Blanks and actual cartridges mixed up and their sloppy handling and safety practices. He made the statement that somebody was going to get killed and he was right!!!!
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