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watch if you own a pistol brace #7777188
01/20/23 08:55 AM
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Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: watch if you own a pistol brace [Re: danny clifton] #7777196
01/20/23 09:04 AM
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To paraphrase, when you apply for your NFA approval, pay 200 dollars, send in your picture and finger prints and address, if it takes more than 88 days to be approved, atf will take enforcement action against the gun owner as the atf rule says after 88 days if its an open background check its an automatic denial.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: watch if you own a pistol brace [Re: danny clifton] #7777251
01/20/23 10:28 AM
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the Legislature needs to shut them down


America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
Re: watch if you own a pistol brace [Re: danny clifton] #7777264
01/20/23 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
To paraphrase, when you apply for your NFA approval, pay 200 dollars, send in your picture and finger prints and address, if it takes more than 88 days to be approved, atf will take enforcement action against the gun owner as the atf rule says after 88 days if its an open background check its an automatic denial.



If your paying the tax and sending in a form 4 you don't make the item that is one bought from an ffl and you can't pick it up untill your form is approved.

When sending in a form one you can't make the item until you have an approved form 1 in your hand.

With the amnesty you have the item allready, send pictures of said item along with your pictures, finger prints address ect.. so if not cleared and approved in 88 days( never going to happen in good normal times let alone with millions of new braced pistol form 1s flooding the system)
Then you have supplied the Atf with your info and photo evidence to do enforcement actions and make their case for them.

Your best bet will be to pay for a form 1 and apply for it like you just want to turn your AR or what ever gun you have a brace on into a sbr. Remove your pistol upper and keep it at a different location untill after your approved form 1 has came back. That way you are not sending them pictures of what they consider an sbr before you have an approved fourm
Yes it cost you $200 vs free but it's a much safer way of avoiding problems.

Re: watch if you own a pistol brace [Re: danny clifton] #7777296
01/20/23 11:30 AM
01/20/23 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
To paraphrase, when you apply for your NFA approval, pay 200 dollars, send in your picture and finger prints and address, if it takes more than 88 days to be approved, atf will take enforcement action against the gun owner as the atf rule says after 88 days if its an open background check its an automatic denial.

They are giving you the 200.00 stamp for free in their sales pitch, so a free SBR would not be a bad thing. But if they are going to use it to trick us and take away our guns, not so good. There is no good answer because nobody knows what they are going to do. The whole thing needs stopped and thrown out.


"Where Can A Man Find Bear Beaver And Other Critters Worth Cash Money When Skinned?"

Re: watch if you own a pistol brace [Re: Flipper 56] #7777345
01/20/23 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Flipper 56
Originally Posted by danny clifton
To paraphrase, when you apply for your NFA approval, pay 200 dollars, send in your picture and finger prints and address, if it takes more than 88 days to be approved, atf will take enforcement action against the gun owner as the atf rule says after 88 days if its an open background check its an automatic denial.

They are giving you the 200.00 stamp for free in their sales pitch, so a free SBR would not be a bad thing. But if they are going to use it to trick us and take away our guns, not so good. There is no good answer because nobody knows what they are going to do. The whole thing needs stopped and thrown out.

guaranteed it is a trick , the only question is it being used solely for a registry of millions of guns and people or is it also entrapment to seize those guns and threaten you with a decade in prison for each one so that you at best quietly let them take your stuff , and at worst have to defend yourself from a life prison sentence

IT is 1000% a trap , but is it stepping on a #1 with a boot or sticking your head in a 330


America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
Re: watch if you own a pistol brace [Re: danny clifton] #7777351
01/20/23 12:24 PM
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weighing out my options , there appears to be no safe option that is free that is the trick

the uppers and lowers separated and the short barrels moved out of possession to a place where no lowers are present.
as then they are just parts and non serialized parts at that.

I talked the a friend that is an SOT (class 3 manufacturer) the safest thing for me to do is bring him the lowers I want to SBR and he will build it as an SBR on his books and form 4 them to me so that he holds onto them at the shop till my tax stamp comes in.


I may seem calm about this , but I am very unhappy to be forced into 200 dollars each and years wait for something that was 100% legal when I bought them.

THIS IS TYRANNY

this Administration and the ATF need to be out of Jobs in the next election.


America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
Re: watch if you own a pistol brace [Re: danny clifton] #7777376
01/20/23 12:49 PM
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has to go thru the courts first

Re: watch if you own a pistol brace [Re: Ridge Runner1960] #7777592
01/20/23 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Ridge Runner1960
has to go thru the courts first



Nope it goes to the courts after it gets implemented.

Re: watch if you own a pistol brace [Re: danny clifton] #7777594
01/20/23 05:59 PM
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every gun law passed by the federal government is unconstitutional, why does any american not know this?

Re: watch if you own a pistol brace [Re: danny clifton] #7777736
01/20/23 09:02 PM
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Of course it's a trick, but everybody's so scared peeing down their leg they've forgot one of the most important facts.... the ATF does NOT have the authority to make law! Stand firm, hold the line. United we stand, divided we will fall.

Re: watch if you own a pistol brace [Re: danny clifton] #7777739
01/20/23 09:06 PM
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Since the Repubs. control the perse strings in Congress they should cut the pay of the FBI,ATF and so on to control the debt.

Re: watch if you own a pistol brace [Re: danny clifton] #7777753
01/20/23 09:18 PM
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Only applies if pistol has an ATTACHED brace. If you have a pistol with no brace no worries

Re: watch if you own a pistol brace [Re: nvwrangler] #7777757
01/20/23 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by nvwrangler
Only applies if pistol has an ATTACHED brace. If you have a pistol with no brace no worries



Ther was a check list I saw. Better not have a bi pod or rifle scope among other things on it or its an sbr also.

Re: watch if you own a pistol brace [Re: danny clifton] #7777899
01/20/23 11:30 PM
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Lots of pistols have both of those items the one thing they can't do is be shouldered

Re: watch if you own a pistol brace [Re: danny clifton] #7777966
01/21/23 12:46 AM
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Wait.....people are actually thinking of complying with this nonsense?

Re: watch if you own a pistol brace [Re: loosegoose] #7778078
01/21/23 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
Wait.....people are actually thinking of complying with this nonsense?

Thats what I was thinking.

Re: watch if you own a pistol brace [Re: trapdog1] #7778221
01/21/23 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by trapdog1
Originally Posted by loosegoose
Wait.....people are actually thinking of complying with this nonsense?

Thats what I was thinking.


Well if your not going to comply you may as well drill your third hole and add a few parts becuse the penalty is the same. Why get in trouble for a braced pistol now called illegal sbr. If your going to take a risk and the penalties the same go all out and at least get the cool guy points when your in prison.

Re: watch if you own a pistol brace [Re: danny clifton] #7778266
01/21/23 11:12 AM
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Instant felons.

Mighty convenient considering most gun owners vote for the other team.

40 million brace owners by conservative estimates.


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Re: watch if you own a pistol brace [Re: danny clifton] #7778269
01/21/23 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Originally Posted by loosegoose
Wait.....people are actually thinking of complying with this nonsense?


Well if your not going to comply you may as well drill your third hole and add a few parts becuse the penalty is the same. Why get in trouble for a braced pistol now called illegal sbr. If your going to take a risk and the penalties the same go all out and at least get the cool guy points when your in prison.


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